Kizaru is light-speed with his very basic functions of light, he's able to kick and move his body at said speeds, but also fire attacks at such speeds.
The Pacifista lasers replicate Kizaru's lasers thus also granting them light-speed properties. The speed meta starts at Pre-Timeskip with Zoro dodging Light-Speed lasers deprived from Kizaru's fruit, in a state that Kuma established as him being on the "verge of death" and for Zoro to do this, someone who isn’t even the strongest of the crew let alone in his massively weakened state. Luffy is even faster than Zoro during Pre-Timeskip and yet Byrnndi World has a Devil-Fruit power that lets him increase things several times their power, from 10x, 20x 50x and most notably 100x, making whatever he decides to increase faster and bigger by that amount. Throughout the majority of his fight with Luffy, Byrnndi was significantly stronger and faster than Luffy already just normally, but having increased his speed by dozens where Luffy couldn’t compare to the disparity grew larger, that changed when Luffy got stronger throughout his fight with Byrnndi allowing him to tag and straight up outspeed Byrnndi towards the point Byrnndi needed to increase his speed by 100 times just to keep up, but that still wasn’t enough to outspeed Luffy. Quite frankly, what scaling do you have above Pre-Timeskip characters that benefit from 100x LS scaling, let alone the Warlords here who would embarrass Pre-Timeskip Strawhats.
So it got me thinking, is One Piece MFTL now or is it still perceived as just above lightspeed at best? Is is slower than lightspeed you think? Thoughts.
@theheadmasterxx: people have gone FTL on panel multiple times and yet they’re still Max SoL? Y’all make taking your opinions seriously so hard man.
I don´t remember any FTL "feats" nor literal statements. All i saw was some Kizaru scaling which isn´t proof alone to get someone to FTL at all, especially when Devil Fruit Powers are playing along with the Haki of Opponents. But then maybe i just miss one of those feats, so you might help me to post some.
Also don´t get me wrong, i don´t have Naruto characters or Bleach characters higher either. In fact i accept that One Piece has literal SoL descriptions and with that also feats, which is something Naruto for example get from Databooks and the Teleportation, while Bleach lacks complete of such support, except by high interpretations.
I think we can agree atleast that MFTL is nonsense, right?
@theheadmasterxx: it’s not kizaru scailing. It’s on panel feats for luffy and directly kizaru saying he’s going ftl. Not even talking about other feats.
@theheadmasterxx: it’s not kizaru scailing. It’s on panel feats for luffy and directly kizaru saying he’s going ftl. Not even talking about other feats.
Ok cool. If there are literally statements which describe the speed then this will be ok to argue FTL. Do you have the scans? Not that i don´t believe you, i just trust my own eyes more.
@theheadmasterxx: I’m on mobile but look at post 63 specifically for scan to address that. People that are literal statue material already have on panel LS feats and statement.
Only just scailing from Kizaru alone you can get ftl op. But the thread is littered with feats and context behind them. Iirc there’s one in page one also.
@dertilt: okay the first part was obvious. Kizaru recovered first ergo he'd just finish Luffy off while he's weakened normally. Basically Luffy won the fight but lost the war.
@dertilt: okay the first part was obvious. Kizaru recovered first ergo he'd just finish Luffy off while he's weakened normally. Basically Luffy won the fight but lost the war.
@pics: I'm assuming he used his clones because he flat out stated he couldn't move and we're shown him steadily getting up and getting spotted in light form multiple times.
Proven once again that LS outpaced the entire battlefield of EH.The Fraud Ruffy as well
That's not what is stated, I am so confused how that was concluded. The only one paying attention to Luffy was Atlas. Sanji, franky, and Vegapunk were all focused on Saturn and him holding up Bonney, so at most you have Kizaru moving faster than Atlas...cool?
@pics: I'm assuming he used his clones because he flat out stated he couldn't move and we're shown him steadily getting up and getting spotted in light form multiple times.
This is possible, but I mean, we saw Kizaru moving here.
This was explained partly by Edgelord but for further clarification, as no doubt others will make a reference to the 110th post as 'proof' to debunk FTL One Piece: Oda's statement about the naked eye not being able to track light is congruent with Rayleigh's statement during Luffy's training of the same assertion. CoO Haki, as Rayleigh explains, is needed to perceive light or objects/people moving at light speed. As for Kizaru giving food to Luffy without anybody noticing, that's because Kizaru was seemingly incapacitated and therefore nobody had their CoO focused on him. Saturn certainly didn't because he was focused on the Straw Hats and Vegapunk. Zoro with direct scaling and Luffy and Sanji with explicit speed feats on Egghead definitively proof Kizaru isn't the only character who moves FTL, Kizaru's accelerated speed is just superior.
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