Comparing the Physical Strength of Naruto Verse to other Rival Shonen Verses

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@dogsrus: that depends on the technique. Lightening clearly doesn't and it's explicitly stated and shown the rasengan and it's variants exceed the users strength output.

Kabuto casually blocked onoki

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#102  Edited By dogsrus

@edgelord91: no not true all of them do it's stated that you have to be able to control it that's why sasuke had to get stronger and faster before kakashi could teach him chidori

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@dogsrus:

So Sakura scales to her punch?

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@saxz: striking strength no durability yes if she didn't the recoil from it would kill her just like 8th gate guy who'ls bones were getting shattered by his own chakra and attacks

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@dogsrus:

Lol... Sakura is nowhere near durable enough to tank her punch.

Gai bones aren't shattered by his own natural chakra. They are shattered by him forcefully breaking his physical limits and bringing out chakra. Basically he sacrifices his cells for chakra and strength. How does this concern Sakura? That's not what she's doing.

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@saxz: no it's his own chakra the 8th gates remove the limiters placed on your body by you brain when that happens your body is stressed by the amount of chakra and the chakra literally starts breaking your body and yes she can tank her own punches shown by the fact that she could punch madara and survive the recoil of her own punch when madara no selled her punch she even stated madara felt like a brick first learn about naruto you sound very ignorant the 8th gates don't multiply or give you chakra you don't have the free up the chakra you do have but normally can use due to it being to powerful for your body to handle

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@saxz: no it's his own chakra the 8th gates remove the limiters placed on your body by you brain when that happens your body is stressed by the amount of chakra and the chakra literally starts breaking your body

i didn't say it's not his chakra. I said it's not his "natural/regular" chakra. And the chakra doesn't automatically break your body passively. The technique itself does. The technique is designed to use that chakra to break muscle limiters which pushes the muscles beyond the limit and that's what breaks the body.

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and yes she can tank her own punches shown by the fact that she could punch madara and survive the recoil of her own punch when madara no selled her punch she even stated madara felt like a brick.

So you're saying her muscles has to be strong to withstand the recoil. your recoil science fails when you realize Sakura muscles or body aren't meant to be physically strong. Strong muscles are not the source of her strength. She just uses a chakra technique to enhance her strength by releasing pent up chakra all at once. And I can't believe you said she can tank her own punch with a straight face. we talking about someone who literally passed out from her head hitting a bridge. Due to Kabuto hitting her by mistake.lol

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She can't even handle the recoil from omoi's casual kick. And you think she tanks her punch. You got jokes man.

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first learn about naruto you sound very ignorant the 8th gates don't multiply or give you chakra you don't have the free up the chakra you do have but normally can use due to it being to powerful for your body to handle

you sound silly mate, "normally can't use" is the exact translation of what I said. Because that's not their natural chakra, it's forcefully brought out by a forbidden technique. If the technique didn't exist, the chakra would be locked and wouldn't exist either. And there's nothing about the chakra being too much for the body to handle. You made that up. What's too much for the body to handle is the

a) forcibly bringing out chakra that's supposed to be locked in the cells and sacrificing the cells in the process

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b) using that excess chakra for the lotus technique which forcibly overrides and remove the muscle limiters.

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The whole technique revolves around pushing the body muscles past its limits using chakra. Not necessarily increasing chakra amount till bones break. This might be complicated for you to understand but think of jinchurikii and why they aren't getting broken muscles from chakra increase.

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@saxz: no stop being ignorant it removes limiters on your muscles and you get a boost in performance but your physicals normally can't handle that power which is why the limters exist you literally posted scans contradicting everything you just said you have no basis to argue here he even states that human being utilize 20% of their full strength with the first gate it unlocks 100% of muscle strength showing it just unlocks your own power lmao kabuto is more durable than that sakura sakura until eos can't survive a rasengan no matter from who kabuto survived one and everything you said means nothing debunk what I stated with scans then we can talk your just yapping atp

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Azu vs Wu Lite Version lmao

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#112  Edited By KGL

Physicals in Naruto is sad. Ranges from Island level to city level even for top tiers. Ishikki and Baryon Mode Naruto are the only outlier as they seem capable of turning their entire chakra power into physicals.But yeah a Kage is East Blue level at most.

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@dogsrus: again depends on the technique. The rasengan variants are consistently shown to be superior to Naruto's strikes even when charged.

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@saxz: @dogsrus: actually your both right. It's explained in her solo novel the concentration of chakra increases her durability to withstand the recoil and she CAN apply this to her entire body she's as frail as you'd expect when NOT doing this

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@dogsrus: again depends on the technique. The rasengan variants are consistently shown to be superior to Naruto's strikes even when charged.

not true rasengan are pure chakra meaning off course they will have more striking strenth but naruto can't make a rasengan that's infinitely stronger than he is he has to scale to it

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@edgelord91: no sometimes she doesnt even amp her self shown when tsunade literally survives attack from susnaoo even when out of chakra chakra in general defines durability her amping her own dura isn't something she can't scale to if she didn't then the 8th gates wouldn't exist and anyone could use infinitely more chakra than they can you wouldn't have to train either since you wouldn't have to physically scale to your power

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Feel like it's common knowledge that naruto physicals is typically lower than others of the same tier

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@theemperor95: bruh read the room 95% of every one here disagree's even unless you're a troll like rolt not true only verse with better physicals should be bleach

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@dogsrus said:

@saxz: no stop being ignorant it removes limiters on your muscles and you get a boost in performance but your physicals normally can't handle that power which is why the limters exist you literally posted scans contradicting everything you just said

what is the contradiction. You literally can't read bro or have low comprehension.

you have no basis to argue here he even states that human being utilize 20% of their full strength with the first gate it unlocks 100% of muscle.

isnt that exactly what I said. Why are you repeating my own scans and argument back at me and going contradiction.lol. you've always got laughs mate.

strength showing it just unlocks your own power

when did I say it's not their own power. I said it's locked 🔒. So no one else has access to this sort of chakra except using the 8th gates and sacrificing their body to get it, so it's not their REGULAR power. Can't you read. Lol.

BYM Naruto does exactly the same thing with a twist. Is BYM chakra Naruto/Kurama's own regular chakra???

lmao kabuto is more durable than that sakura sakura until eos can't survive a rasengan no matter from who kabuto survived one and everything you said means nothing debunk what I stated with scans then we can talk your just yapping atp

Kabuto is more durable than Sakura. But Kabuto is no where near as strong as Sakura and has no DC on Sakura's level. Haven't you seen the gaping hole in your argument yet? If Sakura has a stronger technique why is she physically weaker than Kabuto.

you haven't made any coherent argument. Your premise is ninjas scale physically to their technique. Multiple instances makes this laughable. Sakura is just one of numerous example. There are more. Explain how EMS Sasuke is as strong as his susano.

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@saxz: @dogsrus: actually your both right. It's explained in her solo novel the concentration of chakra increases her durability to withstand the recoil and she CAN apply this to her entire body she's as frail as you'd expect when NOT doing this

Applying that technique to her entire body would take a massive amount of chakra and control. Something she hasn't done on panel. But yeah in that instance before she attack her arm should be enhanced by the chakra on it. That wouldn't scale to her durability in any way which is what I was trying to make clear.

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So much weird shit being posted in this thread. Mountain sized Choji, Sakura not being able to survive a basic rasengan. Just wow.

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Sakura canonically took a meter wide TBB (above 4 tailed TBB that would one shot Orochimaru) but people here saying she can't take a basic rasengan. What.

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@saxz: ah okay then your right

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@dogsrus said:

@edgelord91: no sometimes she doesnt even amp her self shown when tsunade literally survives attack from susnaoo even when out of chakra chakra

That's endurance not durability.

in general defines durability her amping her own dura isn't something she can't scale to if she didn't then the 8th gates wouldn't exist and anyone could use infinitely more chakra than they can you wouldn't have to train either since you wouldn't have to physically scale to your power

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There's a difference between how much chakra you possess and how much your using at once. Sakura novel confirms the channeling of chakra to the limb in question increases it's durability at the moment. When not doing this Sakura and Tsunade don't scale to their strikes which is why Sakura got laid out by much weaker opponents in Shippuden.

She's still tough enough to withstand a partial biju bomb though

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@edgelord91: tsunade is stronger than the raikage who literally can fight and stale mate the 7 tails so of course she can withstand bijuu and she only need's to save up her chakra for regeneration for 100 healings not amping herself as you saw in the same fight she didn't do much better against orochimaru

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@dogsrus: the Same encounter established that he's more durable than she is even without his lightning cloak.

All of the sanin were nerfed in their fight and that does not change the fact neither jiraya nor orochimaru scale to her physically by feats and their own admission

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#127  Edited By dogsrus

@edgelord91: orocimaru surviving several hits from her when nerfed by a large margin more nerfed than either of them

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@dogsrus: how was he Nerfed more?

That being said again. By feats and their own admission they don't scale to her strength wise. It's a common trend in fiction that it takes a substantial gap to one shot someone. Just being stronger isn't necessarily enough

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@edgelord91: no tsunade even commented on how durable Orochimaru stating that no matter how much she punched him it did affect him at all

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@dogsrus: no one questioned his durability. I said they don't scale to her strength OUTPUT.

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@edgelord91: yes but she scales to her dura unless Orochimaru was more durable than her which she isnt

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@dogsrus: outside of God tiers naruto physicals are indeed lower. OP on average has vastly superior physicals as well. Same with most others of the same tier. They make up for it with ninjutsu potency

Also there's no need to read the room. Whether or naruto stans agree or not is irrelevant. The physicals are typically lower. Scaling also isn't linear like yall are acting like it is. Being stronger then someone in naruto doesn't mean you scale linearly above them like in a lot of other verses

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@theemperor95: it does that's literally how choji beat beat jirobo and how tsunade beat Orochimaru and how naruto beat pain pain was more haxxed than naruto and this is a lie whitebeard was getting oneshotted by cannon and sword from captain level chars the same chars who pretimeskip luffy could fold that doesn't happen in naruto besides the assumption that naruto chars have worse physicals when it's shown if op chars arent using haki they are literally sitting ducks and can be easily one shot for ft same thing if you restrict their magic they literally have normal human stats for example a chakraleess naruto that couldn't breath oneshot a meteor

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@dogsrus: Naruto in part 1 had more chakra than kakashi. Even more than hiruzen yet was fodder to them in stats. More chakra isn't higher stats. It's always been that way

For one whirebeard never got one shot by cannons. For 2 whitebeard has notoriously terrible durability. This is also ignoring how we could easily bring up sasuke being scared of lava to lowball. Naruto doesn't have strength feats that rival OP even pre TS.

Also what happened to whitebeard most definitely happens in naruto lmao. Sasori and his puppets were getting one shot by sakura. Naruto getting one shot by himawari. Pain getting one shot by konohamaru

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@dogsrus: Naruto in part 1 had more chakra than kakashi. Even more than hiruzen yet was fodder to them in stats. More chakra isn't higher stats. It's always been that way

naruto had more potential chakra because of him being an uzumaki he couldn't utilize it though he only actually gains more chakra after his training with jiraya and even then he only uses it for plot reason and when ever he did his durability always skyrocketed against haku for instances

For one whirebeard never got one shot by cannons. For 2 whitebeard has notoriously terrible durability. This is also ignoring how we could easily bring up sasuke being scared of lava to lowball. Naruto doesn't have strength feats that rival OP even pre TS.

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no naruto literally tanked lava sasuke would have drowned in the lava we know jubi jin lava is superior to normal lava and kcm naruto tanked it and kaido actually died in lava

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Also what happened to whitebeard most definitely happens in naruto lmao. Sasori and his puppets were getting one shot by sakura. Naruto getting one shot by himawari. Pain getting one shot by konohamaru

first of all naruto getting Oneshot by himawari is gag moment is nami stronger than luffy lmao luffy must be a major glasscanon pain got oneshotby a energy ball that is internal pain has bad internal due to literally already being dead and being a puppet controlled by rods and toneri's puppets were puppets he only controlled them they were all weaker than his main body

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@dogsrus: 1. Naruto always had more chakra. Kakashi outright confirms this. The scan you posted of him saying bursts of chakra is when he the 9 tails helped him. He had more chakra and his stats were trash compared to them completely disproving this notion. Naruto simply doesn't have scaling like that

2. Nothing says that lava is superior? I also don't think naruto God tiers are lava level but if you're going to disingenuously lowball then the same can be applied to naruto

3. Love how you can use reasoning when it comes to naruto but with OP suddenly its "whitebeard got one shot by cannon" lmao

Being a dead body means that internal damage should mean literally nothing as you're dead so you don't need any of it. All of sasori puppets including the third kazekage and his main body were one shot by sakura. So it still applies.

Naruto doesn't have physicals on the level of its peers outside of God tiers. Just accept that. They are above many peers in other aspects

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@theemperor95: facts. Itachi was ripped in half and was fine because he was Edo

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@dogsrus: 1. Naruto always had more chakra. Kakashi outright confirms this. The scan you posted of him saying bursts of chakra is when he the 9 tails helped him. He had more chakra and his stats were trash compared to them completely disproving this notion. Naruto simply doesn't have scaling like that

he does lmao he had latent chakra but ibusa states that he can't control it

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2. Nothing says that lava is superior? I also don't think naruto God tiers are lava level but if you're going to disingenuously lowball then the same can be applied to naruto

except their is no anti feat to suggest that

3. Love how you can use reasoning when it comes to naruto but with OP suddenly its "whitebeard got one shot by cannon" lmao

because it happened and op generally don't have good dura feats unless using haki

Being a dead body means that internal damage should mean literally nothing as you're dead so you don't need any of it. All of sasori puppets including the third kazekage and his main body were one shot by sakura. So it still applies.

they are puppets they have lower dura than their main selves shown by the fact that choji was double tapped by another akatsuki with physicals alone

Naruto doesn't have physicals on the level of its peers outside of God tiers. Just accept that. They are above many peers in other aspects

no lmao this is a point when people are trying to contradict feats especially on comcivine stating that naruto only tanked gwre because he has immunity to chakra lmao any person who isn't trying to lowball knows this isn't true

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Trash thread Lil bro.