Six Path Naruto's Lava Rasenshuriken vs G5 Luffy's Bajrang Gun

Naruto is still superior and only people riding the "majority/popularity" train is going to use their two brain cells left to say one piece. Also hilarious people state size as if that means anything lmao.

Sounds like an Appeal to popularity fallacy. Being edgy went out of style when Naruto ended 7+ years ago.

Time to accept Naruto is the lesser of the shonen three.

@kajin_style: onepiece best feat is destroying an island best feat in naruto is destroying a moon

and oneshotting planets and now even stars

Naruto still on top

lol Naruto one shotting planets & stars. What you smoking dude?

@kajin_style: literally stated momoshiki absorbed a star and destroyed a solar system in base kaguya was about to destroy at least a solar system naruto casually made a moon etc or kinshiki splitting planets

or game naruts rasenshuriken creaing a black hole

Probably should double check your translations: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-call-Fused-Momoshiki-fodder-When-base-Momoshiki-destroyed-a-star

Star/Planet probably uses the same word in japanese cause there was that same confusion with the Goresei being Elder Stars or planets.

@kajin_style: i literally checked every translation it said absorbed or destroyed a star and it even went on to say he destroyed a solar system so it was not a mistranslation

Lmao this Op fans, get luffy past sage madara first.

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Luffy takes no damage from it even if it connects ion Luffy thinks it doesn’t hurt then it doesn’t hurt

Luffy already showcased that against dragon drum-Blast breath

@nottroll: the same dragonbreath that is mountain level and that was consistenetly hurting and fatigung him plus unlike boro breth this is also a cutting attack it negates dura meaning he gets pasted

@dogsrus:

Like I said if Luffy thinks the attack won’t affect him then, it won’t affect him

Like he did with DDBB at first he said it was hot but, then no selled the stronger BB of him saying (I won’t melt)

@nottroll: well good thing it is also a cutting attack and luffy was clearly hurt by average boro breaths and by his average cutting attacks the rasenshuriken has even better cutting abilities cutting at the cellular level

@dogsrus:

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying

“IF LUFFY THINKS IT WONT HURT HIM OT WONT HURT HIM”

plus there are 3 more ways for Luffy shrug off the damage done

1. Reataching his limbs( Luffy reattached his scars in a comedic way)

2.rubberize it

3. adv coc

@dogsrus:

When Luffy “got cut” by twister showed 0 instances of cutting damage on Luffy.

ye there was Blud; twister should’ve sliced his limbs off but it didn’t.

So6p has only shown to withstand chakra based hacks so Luffy blows his back out

Advcoc is far above that island lvl rasengan stop highballing that trash

@kajin_style: You have characters like eida affecting entire planets with her ability passively. Omnipotence even transcended into code's own dimension. That's also not mentioning that we've seen other characters with planetary level attacks and range. Juubito and Juubidara both using 6 paths mokuton to create the God tree and spread its roots all over the planet and infinite tsukuyomi. Kaguya being able to do the same thing, toneri splitting the entire moon and then threatening to crash it into the earth to destroy it, kinshiki stated to split planets apart (makes sense given all other otsusuki can do similar feats). Momoshiki absorbing planets or even stars of energy isn't out of the reality of what he can do...especially given that he is like kaguya (who created a timespace that held a moon, planet and star and was going to erase it).

All of the meta, lore feats, and characters have multiple and consistent feats of them being in that level. So it makes sense in terms of scaling.

I'm going to have to say Naruto.

Im currently in the wano arc and reading/watching the entire kaido v Luffy fight and idk how one piece scalers are putting luffy above continental level.... dude Is at absolute best country+ nothing more. Also seeing people saying luffy using ryou and advanced Conquerors haki (like they are 2 different powerups)when it's the exact same thing. Hyogoro stated ryou is what outsiders call haki. So luffy using advanced ryou is him using advanced Conquerors haki.

Also the fact that kaido's dragon scale twister was actively hurting luffy and both acknowledging that he's still vulnerable against it.

In all honest naruto infusing senjutsu into his attacks works very similar to advanced armament and Conquerors haki. It allows the user to attack people from within using the natural energy around them and we saw Naruto use this against a pain and again when fighting juubito. It's very similar in terms of ability and the fact that he can boost himself up and infuse it into his attacks that he can also charge......I don't see how Naruto doesn't beat luffy.

All those things highlighted are Boruto feats and information. They do not relate to the current match up. You are using material that came out much later to power scale characters in previous arcs. That's cool and all that Kinshiki could split planets but Kaguya didn't. Maybe she was too tired from her slumber, or needed to recharge or something. Whatever the case, she didn't pull of the feats while facing Naruto and the others. So you can't scale her to Kinshiki just cause they are the same race. Furthermore, this is Naruto and not any of the otusuki.

There's plenty of planet busters in DBZ, but just cause Raditz is the same race as the other saiyans doesn't automatically make him a planet buster. Just Kaguya is their race and pulled off all these feats in her past self, doesn't mean the version of her that Naruto & Sasuke fought was the same Kaguya. She did poorly, for a planet buster and reality creator, she did incredibly poor. Better to assume she was depowered. lol

You'll need to finish the Wano arc and then watch the anime fights for some of the more iconic scenes.

Just cause Luffy is injured by blade attacks doesn't make it his kryptonite. It just mean it works, out of all the attacks bouncing off him doing nothing, blade attacks work. That's it.

Senjutsu focuses natural energy and chakra. Haki is all about spirit and willpower. The bigger the ambition and determination the stronger their haki. It is directly correlated to the character's own drive and dreams.

As for Luffy vs Naruto... eh that's for another thread... this one is specifically a lava attack vs Luffy's biggest attack yet.

@kajin_style:

"lol Naruto one shotting planets & stars. What you smoking dude?"

I was referring to your comment above that said that. That was what my reply was for.

"Better to assume she was depowered"

That wouldn't make much sense because of how much more powerful she was than madara which was both outright stated and shown when juubidara inflated like a balloon. Kaguya was never a fighter anyway, which was why she did so poorly against naruto's unconventional attacks. Even if you were to assume she was depowered it doesn't take away from the fact that these character do infact have planetary+ scaling. My reply was just aiming towards that and there's ample evidence of that.

Boruto is not Naruto. So my statement is still factually correct.

Juubidara didn't split a moon, blow up planets or whatever. So Kaguya showing up and being way more powerful than him still makes sense. On top of that, having a massive pools of chakra does not immediately = super strong character. Naruto himself had plenty of chakra but lack of knowledge and training proved how useless it is for him early on.

Boruto characters have planetary scaling statements. There's no on panel feats of such things besides Eida's ability, but that too could be character exaggeration and is still unquantifiable aka impossible to calc with conventional means.

@kajin_style:

"Boruto is not Naruto. So my statement is still factually correct."

My whole point wasn't discussing about boruto....it was giving you the knowledge that there are characters and scaling that prove the planetary+ meta using SOME feats from boruto. That's all. Whether it has to with boruto or not is irrelevant.

"Juubidara didn't split a moon, blow up planets or whatever. So Kaguya showing up and being way more powerful than him still makes sense."

So you just ignored the other things I said about juubidara that also give him planetary level scaling. Infinite tsukuyomi and 6 paths mokuton....which juubito and kaguya can also do.

"On top of that, having a massive pools of chakra does not immediately = super strong character. Naruto himself had plenty of chakra but lack of knowledge and training proved how useless it is for him early on."

There was always a very clear discrepancy if you have more chakra it means you are more powerful but that can be rendered useless if someone has comparable chakra levels but better fighting ability.

"Boruto characters have planetary scaling statements. There's no on panel feats of such things besides Eida's ability, but that too could be character exaggeration and is still unquantifiable aka impossible to calc with conventional means"

Also no. That is factually incorrect. Boruto character's have planetary level feats. The eida one being the most obvious....since...you know...it literally shows a panel of the entire planet being affected, making all the other feats in planetary level meta being consistent.

I think you're being disingenuous to what the manga is portraying. Claiming it being an exaggeration and unquantifiable is just straight up being ignorant of what the manga panels are directly showing you.....

@infinitesession: no they aren't.

Ryuo is advanced ARMAMENT haki. Advanced conquers is totally different

@edgelord91:

No its not.

It's also called Supreme king haki aka Conquerors haki....

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@infinitesession: do you not know what conquers haki is?

@edgelord91: seems like you don't since you ignored the scans that directly prove what I'm talking about lol.

Ryuo is advanced ARMAMENT. Everyone has armament. Only one in a million have conquers haki

Conquers infusion is the same application but with a DIFFERENT type of haki

@infinitesession said:

My whole point wasn't discussing about boruto....it was giving you the knowledge that there are characters and scaling that prove the planetary+ meta using SOME feats from boruto. That's all. Whether it has to with boruto or not is irrelevant.

Got it, but understand Boruto itself makes it very difficult sell with its very inconsistent scaling. Velociraptor vs Sasuke is just one example of several. To have this make more sense in my head I personally view Naruto characters more as wizards than anything else. Since that would let them get away with absurd feats but very poor physical performances as has been the case.

So you just ignored the other things I said about juubidara that also give him planetary level scaling. Infinite tsukuyomi and 6 paths mokuton....which juubito and kaguya can also do.

IT is planetary reach, not planetary scaling. That's like saying cause Xavier can speak with the minds of everyone on earth, he is planet level.

There was always a very clear discrepancy if you have more chakra it means you are more powerful but that can be rendered useless if someone has comparable chakra levels but better fighting ability.

In late game Shippuden. Early game was a different story. Having all that chakra did nothing for Naruto as he still had to struggle. It still let him to keep trying so there was that bonus, but he didn't stomp in any of his early fights.

Also no. That is factually incorrect. Boruto character's have planetary level feats. The eida one being the most obvious....since...you know...it literally shows a panel of the entire planet being affected, making all the other feats in planetary level meta being consistent.

I don't think you know what "planetary level" feats actually mean. It is in reference to the destruction of a planet. The inverse might be allowed but that's about it. Just cause your power can reach the entire world and make everyone a simp doesn't make you planetary level. Otherwise Taylor Swift is planetary too.

I think you're being disingenuous to what the manga is portraying. Claiming it being an exaggeration and unquantifiable is just straight up being ignorant of what the manga panels are directly showing you.....

There's a lot of hyperbole in Naruto in general. Panel statements aren't normally taken as fact; otherwise people be accepting Chin Jao as continental but they aren't. The only time statements are taken as fact is if it is a narrator box explaining things to us.

@kajin_style:

Infinite Tsukuyomi is planetary because it literally makes all creatures on the planet into genjutsu. It's planetary level.

Planetary level means beings who have range that affect the planet. It doesn't have to specifically destroy it.

Also chin jao's continental statement doesn't make him continental because he contradicts himself in the next text where he states how he cracks the continent....ie focusing pressure on a very weak spot in order to cause a chain reaction..... which is what he said after saying he can Crack a continent. It's totally different to let's say people on the panel saying the whole planet is being or will be affected (which is what eida, juubidara and juubito state) and then we have a wideshot panel showing us what was stated happening. This is the exact case with both IT, 6 paths Mokuton and Eida's Omnipotence (though Eida's was just way more obvious with the planet wideshot panel).

@infinitesession said:

Infinite Tsukuyomi is planetary because it literally makes all creatures on the planet into genjutsu. It's planetary level.

Planetary level means beings who have range that affect the planet. It doesn't have to specifically destroy it.

Nope. Your definitions are wrong, you should do some research on this and see for yourself.

Also chin jao's continental statement doesn't make him continental because he contradicts himself in the next text where he states how he cracks the continent....ie focusing pressure on a very weak spot in order to cause a chain reaction..... which is what he said after saying he can Crack a continent. It's totally different to let's say people on the panel saying the whole planet is being or will be affected (which is what eida, juubidara and juubito state) and then we have a wideshot panel showing us what was stated happening. This is the exact case with both IT, 6 paths Mokuton and Eida's Omnipotence (though Eida's was just way more obvious with the planet wideshot panel).

So One Piece has to go through a rigorous amount of tests and verifying before any character statement is taken as fact. Typical downplaying behavior. The Ice Chinjao cracked open was super durable ice, where weapons, explosions and even high power haki attacks from himself couldn't even scratch the surface. It took his signature drill to open it up. Also nothing from Chinjao's backstory has him state it was a "chain reaction". This is more downplay nonsense others tried.

Luffy in gear 5 still takes damage from Kaido wind roars, if he touch Lava Rasen he's done for.. but luckily he has ACoC and ACoA here

@clusterfvck: I don’t think has haki is holding up against the lavarasenshuriken