Goku succeeded the 3rd time hence there was no further shockwaves, first 2 tries Goku tried but didn't quite found the perfect angle hence shockwaves were weakened but still carried universal busting cababilities.
i know that so why repeat it lol ill repeat mine you ready
it’s not possible for Goku to nullify earth’s solar system and not outside it at the same time if Goku did what your claiming the waves can’t get stronger only weaker as they would lose their point of origin/ supply of energy and dissipate as they travel out instead that’s not what happened they got stronger and was said to kill them
ater on in the fight we have confirmation Goku and Beerus still carry universal potency in their punches only now the destruction is completely absent because Goku learned how to fight without endangering the universe.
that’s from the narrator who’s not a valid source as he also said this which blatantly isn’t true
And he was wrong here meaning is credibility doesn’t exist which makes sense as all he’s doing is hyping the fight up because that’s literally his db the narrator in db does that all the time he did that all throughout DBZ along with super
they Didn’t have universal potency only the ability to cause more energy waves they never scaled to
It's almost like there's context for that in form of Goku trying to nullify the destruction of the shockwaves by perfecting angles of his fists, but of course that's always ignored in those troll threads for some reason...
There's no such context, only headcanon invented by the fans. Goku had no way to affect the power of the shockwaves and their effects on the environment, he could only prevent them from happening in the first place, by matching and cancelling out Beerus's hits
That's it, he wasn't doing any "Ki control" stuff or anything of the sort, he just had to physically hit Beerus with exactly the same force and angle to prevent the shockwaves from appearing. This doesn't prove in any capacity that he was somehow "weakening the shockwaves" in all the previous clashes or any such bullshit. That's actually directly contradicted later on in the fight, when the shockwaves still appeared and continued causing destruction during their beam clash despite Goku having already mastered the nullification trick. That's because this trick was only applicable to physical attacks and had nothing to do with Ki.
Later on in the fight we have confirmation Goku and Beerus still carry universal potency in their punches only now the destruction is completely absent because Goku learned how to fight without endangering the universe.
That's straight up wrong though, because the shockwaves still appeared a few minutes later during their beam clash, proving that Goku wasn't controlling shit.
Edit: had to delete the part about unreliable narrator as I saw that it has already been addressed above, and there's no need to repeat this point back to back.
there are probably hundreds of examples of the narrator over hyping everything throughout the entirety of DBZ and DBS I don’t get why people use his word as law that’s literally his job to hype up the fight or what’s going on
like screen writer for DBS doesn’t agree in verse laws doesn’t agree like the gods of destruction are specifically prohibited from fighting each other because of the universe destruction but somehow Goku and every villain who scales to him don’t have to follow the laws set by Zeno ? Like in universe him being at such power doesn’t make sense in universe and is Contradicted at every turn
bro actually said stop being technical and ignore everything to wank Goku as much as possible
I know Goku was trying to perfect it but he did not succeed until the 3rd meaning there’s no excuse for the waves what your trying to claim is simply not possible Goku cannot nullify earth’s solar system but not outside of it at the same time if Goku nullifies earth’s solar system solar system then the waves can’t get stronger as they would lose their point of orgin and meaning they would lose their supply of energy meaning the waves just wouldn’t exist at all or or would dissipate and get weaker not stronger there’s no in universe excuse for you just accept it
So you’re basically saying the shockwaves created by Beerus and Goku are simply impossible because it doesn’t abide in the realm of physics. Even though It DID physically happen By feats….? Make sense…. in the eyes from anOPM Stan.
name when this was ever stated to be used since DBZ if Goku was a master at this the waves never would’ve existed in the first place
Goku acknowledged This technique when he’s said his claim of “trying to perfect it his second attempt “ Indicates he already knows it. The reason why Goku couldn’t achieve it on his first try Is because God Form and Divine Ki was New to him.
What does that even mean if the point of origin was nulled then the waves would get weaker but that’s not what happened
the entirety of the shockwaves from beginning to end were nulled in destroying the universe Due to Goku trying to perfect his Ki control. It’s just that the origin point was at its strongest. The reason why the whole universe isn’t destroyed but only a said amount of planets
that’s it I’m going to do like the db alt troll above and summon WoG let’s ask DBS screen writer
So Your saying that he disagrees with what he Writes for the story ? Why would he Imply Goku is Universal level and then says that’s he disagrees with it ? Absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. On top of that this “screen writer“ says that it was his own Personal Opinion on the matter. Indicating that he’s obviously writing this from someone who’s the “real“screen writer or higher in the DB Publishing Community,
So you’re basically saying the shockwaves created by Beerus and Goku are simply impossible because it doesn’t abide in the realm of physics. Even though It DID physically happen By feats….? Make sense…. in the eyes from anOPM Stan.
im saying the excuse your trying to make about them not actually getting stronger isn’t possible nor is it stated by feats ? there are no feats the feats were the waves got stronger and they would’ve died none of what ever head cannon your trying to bring don’t know why your bringing up OPM lol
Goku acknowledged This technique when he’s said his claim of “trying to perfect it his second attempt “ Indicates he already knows it. The reason why Goku couldn’t achieve it on his first try Is because God Form and Divine Ki was New to him.
and Goku couldn’t of invented this technique on the spot because why ? anyway show this technique existing in DBZ if not it’s head cannon claim
the entirety of the shockwaves from beginning to end were nulled in destroying the universe Due to Goku trying to perfect his Ki control. It’s just that the origin point was at its strongest. The reason why the whole universe isn’t destroyed but only a said amount of planets
bro sounds like a broken record with how many times you repeat the same stuff 😭😭😭
the point of origin was not the strongest but the weakest shockwaves got stronger
So Your saying that he disagrees with what he Writes for the story ? Why would he Imply Goku is Universal level and then says that’s he disagrees with it ? Absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. On top of that this “screen writer“ says that it was his ownPersonal Opinionon the matter. Indicating that he’s obviously writing this from someone who’s the “real“screen writer or higher in the DB Publishing Community,
there’s more then 1 screen writer lol that’s why it’s his opinion like many fictional works with more then 1 creator they all have different views on what they are making unless he’s toriyama he can’t speak on behalf of everyone
and that’s not what’s written for the story literally nothing in any part after BoG throughout the entire of super suggests Goku operates on that level of power
the Fact a literal screen writer doesn’t agree with you shows you how universal Goku isn’t as set and stone as you think along with the goofy ahh context of them never scaling or the fact it’s contradictied in every saga after BoG by in universe laws
im saying the excuse your trying to make about them not actually getting stronger isn’t possible nor is it stated by feats ? there are no feats the feats were the waves got stronger and they would’ve died none of what ever head cannon your trying to bring don’t know why your bringing up OPM lol
Again lol The point of origin is where the nullification was at its strongest Despite it being a failed attempt by Goku. The shockwaves did in fact destroyed planets the further it went, it shook’d and even threaten to “poof” away the universe itself. So it did technically got stronger, However even though it was stated the shockwaves got stronger the further it traveled, doesn’t necessarily mean it was gonna destroy the entire universe right there and then. Old Kai did state that it could take upon on 2 or 3 more attempts in carrying it out
Think of it this way. 3 semi nulled and failed attempts by Goku WOULD have destroyed the universe In accumulation. And I know what your next counter argument is gonna be… “ sO HoWCoMe 2/3Rd’S oF ThE UnIVErSE wAsn’T ObLiTErATeD On tHeIR SEcOnD ATtemPT?” It’s because the third was gonna be the “be all end all” my guy, this is fiction, it doesn’t have to be technical on the physics. This is like me saying Goku Shouldn’t be light speed because it takes an Infinite amount of energy to do so, despite them being way past it and beyond. It’s PIS to keep the story going.
I didn’t bring up Opm. I just claim that you’re an opm stan because of your arguments that’s all
and Goku couldn’t of invented this technique on the spot because why ? anyway show this technique existing in DBZ if not it’s head cannon claim
Well I mean you have watched The DBZ series before right?, Do you agree that Goku is planet level? them not destroying planets around them while scraping indicates that Goku knows of this technique beforehand, wouldn’t you agree ? lol
bro sounds like a broken record with how many times you repeat the same stuff 😭😭😭
That’s because you keep saying the same shit over again. Likewise lol
the point of origin was not the strongest but the weakest shockwaves got stronger.
I was obviously talking about the nullification affects and not the shockwave itself If you couldn’t figure that one out
there’s more then 1 screen writer lol that’s why it’s his opinion like many fictional works with more then 1 creator they all have different views on what they are making unless he’s toriyama he can’t speak on behalf of everyone
So then why use him as an absolute credible source if he can’t speak on behalf of everyone? Especially if he isn’t Toriyama like what you said. If the Original script says Goku is universal level and gets officially released to the public Then means it’s officially canon and his Opinion doesn’t hold any relevance on the matter. His 2 cents isn’t any better than the next biggest DBS fan on this planet.
and that’s not what’s written for the story literally nothing in any part after BoG throughout the entire of super suggests Goku operates on that level of power
That’s because he perfected his technique in God form, with KiBito Kai saying they don’t produce it any more despite adding more power into their strikes. Also old Kai said it was only a show. It doesn’t matter
the Fact a literal screen writer doesn’t agree with you shows you how universal Goku isn’t as set and stone as you think along with the goofy ahh context of them never scaling or the fact it’s contradictied in every saga after BoG by in universe laws
You just said that this screen writer can’t speak in behalf of the other screen writers. The Fucking Official script itself doesn’t agree with this screen writer’s Opinion… a freakin Opinion….That’s not coming from Tori….
The cope from this guy shouldn’t even be humanely achievable on all grounds of logic. Only an opm stan is capable of accomplishing these extraordinary acts of feats
Again lol The point of origin is where the nullification was at its strongest Despite it being a failed attempt by Goku. The shockwaves did in fact destroyed planets the further it went, it shook’d and even threaten to “poof” away the universe itself. So it did technically got stronger, However even though it was stated the shockwaves got stronger the further it traveled, doesn’t necessarily mean it was gonna destroy the entire universe right there and then. Old Kai did state that it could take upon on 2 or 3 more attempts in carrying it out
again no it isn’t if it got stronger as it traveled it means it is the absolute weakest i don’t even know what your trying to argue they can’t scale to the end result as they were the weakest all the nullification did was prevent more shockwaves from being generated/get stronger
Think of it this way. 3 semi nulled and failed attempts by Goku WOULD have destroyed the universe In accumulation. And I know what your next counter argument is gonna be… “ sO HoWCoMe 2/3Rd’S oF ThE UnIVErSE wAsn’T ObLiTErATeD On tHeIR SEcOnD ATtemPT?” It’s because the third was gonna be the “be all end all” my guy, this is fiction, it doesn’t have to be technical on the physics. This is like me saying Goku Shouldn’t be light speed because it takes an Infinite amount of energy to do so, despite them being way past it and beyond. It’s PIS to keep the story going.
what counter argument lol you haven’t made a single argument you just keep repeating the same stuff that has been debunked we can’t ignore how it’s simply not possible for goku to scale I’m sure you’d like that tho
I didn’t bring up Opm. I just claim that you’re an opm stan because of your arguments that’s all
lol that doesn’t even make sense I guess anyone who doesn’t blindly wank db and actually reads and watches what happens is a OPM Stan
Well I mean you have watched The DBZ series before right?, Do you agree that Goku is planet level? them not destroying planets around them while scraping indicates that Goku knows of this technique beforehand, wouldn’t you agree ? lol
show in universe where this technique was ever stated to exist in dbz not head canon
I was obviously talking about the nullification affects and not the shockwave itself If you couldn’t figure that one out
them nullifying it doesn’t mean anything it’s like putting a fuse out before a bomb goes off all they are doing is stopping it from happening but they don’t actually scale to the explosive itself because they were specifically the weakest point the origin and it only got stronger as it traveled out hence why kai said beerus and goku would die because they don’t scale it’s a simple concept
So then why use him as an absolute credible source if he can’t speak on behalf of everyone? Especially if he isn’t Toriyama like what you said. If the Original script says Goku is universal level and gets officially released to the public Then means it’s officially canon and his Opinion doesn’t hold any relevance on the matter. His 2 cents isn’t any better than the next biggest DBS fan on this planet.
because he’s still a screen writer lol obviously his opinion would be important it’s just he wouldn’t hold as much authority if say like toriyama came out and made a statement that contradicts him then obviously toriyama word would mean more etc
did the orginal script say goku goku is universal? No it didn’t instead it said he was creating shockwaves he didn’t scale to saying a screen writers opinion doesn’t matter is a ridonculous claim bro Is actually trolling yes the screen writer opinion matters he helped make the show and worked with toriyama if you think your opinion is equal to a literal writer then bro has lost his mind and Because no other writers has contradicted then his opinion matters even more as you can’t prove anyone else on the show disagrees with him
That’s because he perfected his technique in God form, with KiBito Kai saying they don’t produce it any more despite adding more power into their strikes. Also old Kai said it was only a show. It doesn’t matter
what about cell max did he perfect this technique what about broly ? Let’s ask his dad
Ahh man crazy so what about literally anyone not named goku did they also learn the technique not even goku perfected when gaining that power ? The level of power you want goku to have does not exist or is implied to exist in any part after BoG it is contradicted by in universe rules and stated by a Writer so both in universe and out of universe by WoG such power doesn’t exist
You just said that this screen writer can’t speak in behalf of the other screen writers. The Fucking Official script itself doesn’t agree with this screen writer’s Opinion… a freakin Opinion….That’s not coming from Tori….
official script do you have the official script? and last time I checked the show agrees with the writer goku and beerus stated to die by the growing shock waves check WoG saying only zeno can destroy universe check matches up pretty clear heck who in dbs ever actually destroyed or was stated to have destroyed universes hmmm man this is a tough one oh wait it’s zeno he’s the only one must be a coincidence right ?
everything in universe supports WoG statements and not a single feat performed after BoG suggest universal power by any character for that matter
The cope from this guy shouldn’t even be humanely achievable on all grounds of logic. Only an opm stan is capable of accomplishing these extraordinary acts of feats
cope for what your the one trying to wank universal db for everyone? By ignoring any and all context and taking everything at face value you legit told me I’m getting too technical and diving too deep into the feat lol there 1 single feat never to be replicated by anyone in dbs history but zeno
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