Billy and Tommy Created The Foundation of The Multiverse- Avengers Academy

Caught up to Avengers Academy yesterday, and in the most recent issue, two twin boys are seen underneath the M'kraan crystal carving "the rules of time and magic".

For those that aren't reading the current issues, the M'kraan crystal is the relic of the Demiurge that contains it's power, alluded to have been possibly created by the previous incarnations of Wanda's twins who Mephisto didn't end up claiming in the present due to some lengthy time shenanigans that you can read yourself.

They are dubbed as the father of the M'kraan crystal, which is a nexus to all realities.

In this specific wording, Tommy wrote the rules of time, Phoenix wrote space, and Billy wrote the rules of magic, seen in the order of the image with the wording:

This is also hinted in the same run that Tommy is the personification of time itself:

Gallery

Billy I feel I don't need to explain because his lore as Demiurge is already explained in New Avengers as a multidimensional entity that will transcend realities and rewrite the laws of magic in the multiverse, but just in case, the panel below should suffice:

Thoughts?

So Wanda's sons are cosmic peers to the Phoenix Force????? Lmfao GOAT

@bigbaby:
But the Phoenix IS the M'krann Crystal though, according to Oliveira himself.

So it's them creating the Crystal/Phoenix/WHR is what we see on that panel (more likely).

@pike44 said:

@bigbaby:

But the Phoenix IS the M'krann Crystal though, according to Oliveira himself.

So it's them creating the Crystal/Phoenix/WHR is what we see on that panel (more likely).

Dang, so they created the Phoenix? Awesome

I heard there's even a reference to White Phoenix of the Crown as a M'kraan protocol.

@rajjarsalt said:

@pike44 said:

@bigbaby:

But the Phoenix IS the M'krann Crystal though, according to Oliveira himself.

So it's them creating the Crystal/Phoenix/WHR is what we see on that panel (more likely).

Dang, so they created the Phoenix? Awesome

I heard there's even a reference to White Phoenix of the Crown as a M'kraan protocol.

Yup, that seems to be the case!

That part is also correct, yes.

The Maximoffs really popping off lately, definitely the strongest superhero family (basically three cosmic entities atp).

And the Summers family? OUTTTT

So does this mean Wanda is the Phoenix Force’s grandma?

Preeeach.

@straight-fire: @soratoumiga:

Checks out, demiurgic powers be going hard

Eh, I would say both of them are above most cosmic entities based on implication since lore clearly states they can contend with and even threaten the cosmic forces:

As for Phoenix, if they created the M'Kraan crystal, then I absolutely see no reason why.

@pike44 said:

@bigbaby:

But the Phoenix IS the M'krann Crystal though, according to Oliveira himself.

So it's them creating the Crystal/Phoenix/WHR is what we see on that panel (more likely).

You're back! Nice to see you again Pike. That's a good catch. I left it open to interpretation by mentioning the statement calling them the fathers of the crystal, but also wanted to wait for a bit more confirmation before jumping to that conclusion.

As for what you posted, this is also the same trail of logic that I'm following and agree with you on. Under Oliveira it seems that they did create Phoenix if they created the crystal. I just want to wait to see the next few issues fully.

Ugh, I never thought of it like that but since it's future versions of Billy and Tommy who are now her creations it would(on paper) make sense, but I hope writers ignore that.

Maximoff family clears all with ease in terms of power and potential. We been knew!!!

Guess we know who gets the real credit for Phoenix being "now and forever"

@bigbaby said:

@pike44 said:

@bigbaby:

But the Phoenix IS the M'krann Crystal though, according to Oliveira himself.

So it's them creating the Crystal/Phoenix/WHR is what we see on that panel (more likely).

You're back! Nice to see you again Pike. That's a good catch. I left it open to interpretation by mentioning the statement calling them the fathers of the crystal, but also wanted to wait for a bit more confirmation before jumping to that conclusion.

As for what you posted, this is also the same trail of logic that I'm following and agree with you on. Under Oliveira it seems that they did create Phoenix if they created the crystal. I just want to wait to see the next few issues fully.

Thanks! And yeah, I get it, but at the same time, there is just way too much evidence at this point.

Anthony said on X that the story is mapped out, but he's not sure if Marvel will ever let him write it. I guess, we won't see anything major in the next few issues unfortunately.

@pike44:Anthony said on X that the story is mapped out, but he's not sure if Marvel will ever let him write it. I guess, we won't see anything major in the next few issues unfortunately.

Aw, that's unfortunate. I'm surprised that they won't hire him for at least a limited title. He's expressed multiple times he wants to work with the Maximoff family, and he's been highly praised of his current works in Marvel.

Yeah, exactly! I don't get it either.

Well maybe Marvel didn't want to destroy years of work by saying Wanda's twink son created the PF and M'kraan crystal. Just a thought.

Destroy years of work? What work? The work that was never established until now? There's nothing to destroy if nothing existed to contradict it in the first place.

You're pulling a two-month-old thread back from the grave just because you’re nursing a grudge that Wanda’s twinks are out-glazing your faves? Let it go.

I haven't seen any Maximoff beat the PF, but somehow, they created it. Mk.

And yes years of work since the crystal and PF both have lore for years.....................

Um, no, what type of logic are you playing at? The One Above All wasn't shown to beat more then half the characters in Marvel, are you going to claim that it invalidates he created all of Marvel? Neither are abstracts shown beating a good chunk of the characters in 616, does it suddenly deny their concepts as abstractions? Don't be silly.

The connection between The Phoenix Force and The Crystal still is canon. Billy and Tommy's lore with the crystal in no way retcons or detracts already existing lore in the shared universe, it's highlighting their own.

I asked you to show "lore being destroyed", whereas you're merely arguing that the Phoenix has shared history with the crystal which isn't showing that. This might come as a shocker, but new additions to lore are often added in joint mediums like Marvel.