Do feats from deleted scenes count?

I mean, it's always case by case. I tent to take them into account unless they directly contradict canon though, since they provide evidence of the director's intent.

No, lots of shots are made as alternatives, and they just go with what looks best

Concept art also shouldn't be used

Pretty much this. I do accept them more than off-screen feats as well

If they went to all the trouble of filming the scene, then that adds credibility. Deleted scenes are higher on the hierarchy than raw script.

That's a big no

Don't think I'd count them personally. Even if they don't clash with the established canon.

Depends......TBH

Like Far From Home had some deleted scene.....but then they were made cannon by being called a short movie on the FFH DVD....A short movie called Peters to do list..

Thats is one case where a deleted scene made its way into primary Cannon.

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Same thing happened with 'Incredible Hulk" a deleted scene was shown on the DVD as a 'extended ending'... thus primary cannon.

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I also think Ultimate BVS is primary cannon.

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Now when it comes to Vision phasing Corvis Glaves heart out I dont consider that primary cannon, but It can speak to intent. (Vision has shown phasing, has phase killed robots, everyone on the vine kinda thought his powers could be used to phase hearts already), id consider that confirmation....Like hes done it in cannon, and this is just a better explanation of his powers.

I dont consider that scene cannon but it speak to intent.

If the director specifically deleted the scene according to the power levels , then no .

But , if it was deleted to streamline other story or other narrative purposes , then yes , absolutely.

That is why I consider MCU Vision to be , if not more , powerful than Mjolnir Thor before Awakening .

@olubummo: What if the scene is referenced but isn't in the original cut like the Hulk scene?

@death4bunnies: What feats did Spidey get in that short film.

The whole fight with the gang of someones(named but I forget), and a drone feat.

Web homing missiles. (These are particularly badass.)

and confirmed bullet proof Spider Armor.(when he gets up he says "Im just kidding its bullet proof"

Also some minor stuff with his spider arms...Here is the full short film (Peters to do list)

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@joker567892: His suit was completely bulletproof .

@joker567892: And again . If the scene was deleted due to a issue related to power levels , then the feat doesn’t count .

However , if the scene was deleted just to streamline the story or other narrative purposes , then it is absolutely valid .

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They're not canon. Why would we accept them?

@wakeupsid: I would assume the Hulk one is canon, it was taken out because people thought it was too dark not because of the Power Levels.

They may be used as a reference point, but only it they don’t contradict the canon material.

The Hulk scene is called a extended ending on the DVD so I think its primary Cannon.

He gets a good glacier punch in it.(notice the shockwave that busts the ground beneath the glacier.)

They definitely count. Despite being deleted the concept comes from the same person that made the feat we got. Directors intent on the level of power is shown through any scene written

If it is not on the screen in the actual movie it does not count.

If it is mentioned in the script but not on screen it does not count.

Directors comment after production or in commentary only count if the confirm what is actually shown.

Storyboards never count.

Calculations don’t count because the filmmakers did not do them to gauge the scene, they did what looked right to them.

Scaling does not count for the same reason that fan calculations don’t, the writer/director did not plan them that way they just did what looked right.

Character statements might or might not depending on context.

@ninetoadclown:

What about what was once a deleted scene but then is called a extended scene on a DVD?

Or a deleted scene thats released as a short movie on the DVD.

Extended scene like in special features no.

Extended like a special edition of the movie that puts scenes back in, yes.

Depends on how they do the deleted scene.

If it is like the Mandarin short that was released later after the movie yes, it was officially a follow up not as a cut piece, if it is like the hulk one no, that was deleted or left out for a reason.

Hulk is called 'extended ending' id call that cannon.

FFH has a short movie called 'Peters to do list' Id also call that cannon.

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No. Those scenes never happened. Except when they are mentioned in other movies like Hulk eating a bullet.

No they don't. A deleted scene never happened in the verse (canon) it was supposed to be; doesn't exist. When character A killed character B in a deleted scene but in canon character A didn't kill character B then how character A killed B doesn't count by virtue of never happening and nor will either of the two characters have any memory of it. If a character did something in a deleted scene they won't remember doing it because they never did it.

There is also the fact that if it was deliberately left out of final cut for a reason by director or producer who has more say than some random fan debating the scene. If it's an extended scene that made it's way into the movie, then that is a different story.

They count but any Thor still beats Vision senseless.

Do you mean the hulk scene where he put a bullet in his mouth and the other guy spit it out?

Cause that never actually happened

The incredible hulk deleted scene shows him loading a gun with one bullet, but before he puts the barrel in his mouth he transforms, and the gun fires when hulk squeezes it

@death4bunnies: you keep saying that the hulk scene referenced was shown, but it really wasn't

In incredible hulk he never shot himself, the one bullet in the gin exploded in his hand when hulk squeezed it

@mrnoital: The Original version(Like the very original) had him shoot himself(The Game has the scene, as well the Novelization).

That's how it was supposed to happen, it is also a very pivotal scene.

@joker567892: a version so original it was never filmed?

That's cute, but not real

@mrnoital: It was going to be filmed, again it was removed for being too dark.

So they shot another version with him not shotting himself, however the novel, game and Avengers 2012 reference the version where he does indeed try to kill himself.

@rajjarsalt: There it is.

@rajjarsalt: That scene looks phenomenal, I never knew there were early drafts of it.

@anthp2000: It should've stayed in, it would've added so much more depth to Bruce.

Depends... Was it deleted to reduce the run time, or was it just an alternative? If it was the former, I'd say it should count.

@lan_fan: It was said the scene was too dark of a start for the film, so they took it out and added it back on the DVD

I don't why that shouldn't count.

I can get behind these answers.

@joker567892: neat, they all reference a scene that was never filmed and doesn't exist

No

@mrnoital: Except it exist in canon, it is in the script, in the game, in the novel, and is referenced in Avengers 2012, and you need to accept that.

It is canon.

@joker567892: lol a scene that wasn't filmed and doesn't exist in any real form is canon

Okay kid

@mrnoital: The Novel is canon and had the scene in the book, and Avengers 2012 mentioned it, so I have no idea why you keep saying it's non-canon outside of "Never bring filmed", If it's referenced by a film in that universe than it is canon.

Definitely yes unless movie shows that e.g. someone can't perform the feat. Same goes for script feats and even concept art feats IMO.