burn the witch has a English, soul society which was seemingly not affected by yama's heat
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nothing suggests the west branch was ever affected by anything going on in the east branch
btw, this place is just the soul society's england
to the point where it's just called reverse london
But it was never stated or explained that this so called "West Branch" of the Soul Society was actually inside the same dimension as the Soul Society.
Futhermore, Reverse London have never been stated or explained to be an "Afterlife" for people in the West.
In fact, the witches deal exclusively with Dragons and do not help ghosts transmigrate into the afterlive.
Neither it was ever stated or explained, that Garganta was between London and Reverse London.
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It rather seems that the relationship between London and Reverse London is somewhat more similar to that of the Seiretei and the Wandereich Quincy shadow dimension.
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The Quincy shadow dimension exist as a space that was created inside the shadows of the Seiretei and Soul Society.
And while not entirely equal (as Reverse London is not said to exist in the "shadows") still serves as an analogy.
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Reverse London is the "opposite London".
And, if something happens to a building in Reverse London, a building in London which is somehow magically linked to it will suffer the same fate. Yet if you destroy a building in the Seireitei or anywhere in the Soul Society, it doesn't affects any building in Japan or Asia in general.
Thus, as we can see, Reverse London and Soul Society do not follow the same rules and do not work the same way, and ultimately, it doesn't make sense that they are in the same dimension.
If anything, it been called "The West Branch" is simply a name based on the fact that it is a Supernatural organization affiliated to the Soul Society or under patronage of the Soul Society that operates uniquely on the Western hemisphere of the Planet Earth in order to deal with a unique supernatual phenomenon that happens there, but that does not mean that Reverse London is also on the "western Hemisphere" of an Earth like planet inside the Soul Society dimension, sharing that same planet with the Seireitei and Rukongai district.
@rdcdesmond said:
1) I mean first chapter opening it shows the words
Soul Society: West Branch in the same lettering as East Branch
2) Witches use telephone booths marked with the "Wing Bind" symbol or coin gates to enter soul society London from the real world earth London. Somewhat similar to Harry Potter. Vs shinigami needing senki gates.
3) east branch and west branch are on the same planet. East branch in parallel Japan just focuses on hollows while West branch in parallel London focuses on dragons. Creatures can exist on different continents we know this is case even in real life. Witches stay and set up camp where dragons are native and they specialize in dealing with dragons. Dragons are not native to parallel Japan as they are to parallel Europe.
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1. West Branch could very well likely just mean, west in the World Of The Living, without meaning that it is also in the "West" of Soul's Society Earth. Again, there's no mention of it been an Afterlife, nor witches help Souls transmigrate to Reverse London, they just deal with Dragons, that's it.
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2. Exactly, a Telephone booth. And we are never told that this Telephone booth opens a portal or gate through Garganta or the Dangai, or anything like that.
And one can travel to the Quincy shadow dimension through Shadow Technique, it is a dimension, yet it exist within the larger Soul Society dimension, and there's also a unique special method to get in and out of it.
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3. You are not giving any actual evidence that they are on the same planet, you are just speculting.
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4. You haven't addressed as to why destroying buildings in Reverse London also destroys buildings in Front London. But destroying buildings in the Seireitei and Rukongai doesn't destroy buildings in Japan, or anywhere else in Asia.
Nor have you addressed why the Seireitei and Rukongai are not considered as "Reverse Japan" or the "Hidden Side" of Japan, Tokyo, Kyoto or the "Reverse" or "Hidden" side of any other japanese location or any other location in Asia. And considering how this places are described very differently, it doesn't make much sense that they are the same for different continents, but rather seem their own unique distinct phenomenons.
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One deals with Huecos, another one deals with Dragons, so both have their own supernatural enemies (Huecos and Dragons), and both have their own supernatural agents (Shinigamis and Witches) that belong to a bigger organization (The Gotai 13 and Wingbind), but that's it, that's where similarties end. One is the actual Afterlife for the World of the Living (Soul Society), the other one merely deals with the unique phenomenon Dragon (Reverse London).
@rdcdesmond said:
@anotherusername: 1) Dragons exist on another landmass than shinigami. Dragons are in London while Kara town is in Japan. Reverse London is in soul society while real London is on the real world. Just like in real life animals can exist without being native to other landmasses. The Wolverine for example is not native to Japan but native to Europe. The dragons can exist the same way in soul society not being native to the grounds of seretei and the mountains and land surrounding seretei.
2) Witches don’t need to open gargabta to travel to the real world to soul society they use telephone booths and coin gates which serve as senki gates or the gate that Urahara created from his orbs that were empowered by multiple captains reiatsu to open a gate so They didn’t have to travel through a garganta.
3) nah it’s ninjarizer flow but buildings don’t get destroyed in the same manner due to reverse London being more tied to real London than seretei tied to Kara town although seretei does focus on Kara town they teleported Kara town entire city to the soul society and replaced it with a fake Kara town so there are some parallel manipulation and Quincy
Soul Society: west branch
Trolls: why doesn’t it do this and that then hmmmm lol I won’t accept it. Why isn’t there dragons in seretei I won’t accept it.
Did Kubo have burn the witch already created when bleach ended yes or no
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1. Again, you have no evidence that Reverse London exist within the same space continuum as the Soul Society. You are speculating. Shinigamis are in Soul Society, Humans in the World Of The Living, Quincies in their Shadow Dimension (which is in the Shadows of the Seireitei), and Huecos are in Hueco Mundo. There's no evidence that points out to Dragons existing within Soul Society's space continnuum dimension.
2. Pretty sure Urahara's gate goes through Garganta. Or maybe you could show me more about how it doesn't. And if it didn't, then it wasn't a portal between the World Of The Living and Soul Society.
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3. Whether you consider that I may have "ninjarizer's flow" or not, is again, also irrelevant to our conversation. And buildings do not get destroyed in Japan or Asia from destroying buildings in the Seiretei and Rukongai, cause they are competely separated space continuums without such type of "magical link", showing that in fact the rules under which Reverse London and Soul Society are not the same, and thus they can not be part of the same dimension.
If Soul Society was actually in the same dimension as Reverse London, then destroying buildings in Soul Society would also cause destruction to buildings in the World Of The Living, cause they would follow the same mechanics which exist within that same shared space continuum dimension which would opperate with the same kind of "magical" or "supernatural" rules for that dimension which link the fate of the buildings in Soul Society to the fate of the buildings of the World of the Living, which we know is clearly not the case.
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Whether Kubo created Burn the witch before or after is irrelevant. Kubo never stated in any way that Reverse London and the Seiretitei are in the same planet or space continuum dimension, and the way they are described and work are very different from each other.
@rdcdesmond said:
The buildings in seretei don’t need to operate the same same as the buildings in reverse London lol go write to Kubo and cry you want them to share same features they just don’t doesn’t take away fact it’s in soul society which is a planet size sekai
Kubo didn’t create the series until after tybw ended so forgive him for not connecting them more other than saying reverse London is in soul society why even bring up soul society if it’s not related or in it yet it’s stated soul society: west branch as same manner as soul society east branch are on different sides of landmasses in the soul society their telephone booth and coin gates serve as a similar fashion as urahara having captains open a door to another dimension world without traveling inside garganta in tybw
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Sigh.
You are just reapeting your points, yet you are not giving any evidence or any rational argument to support your point. Merely repeating your point of view again and again with no evidence doesn't help to back it up.
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Precisely because Kubo created Burn The Witch after, means he had all the knowledge and information already in his mind about how the Soul Society worked. And if he wanted Reverse London to be some sort of "afterlife continent" in Soul Society dimension's Earth like planet, then he would have made Reverse London more similar to Seireitei and Rukongai, and we would get told about how Souls from people living in the West transmigrate to Reverse London and such type of things.
Furthermore, Soul Society is a place where souls go when humans die in the World Of The Living, one does not "WANDER INTO" the Soul Society merely because of having spiritual power.
Yet, one with magic power may eventually, either by accident or otherwise made their way into Reverse London.
As far as we are concerned, people who live in Reverse London are living Humans who have significant magic power, not dead people (souls / kompaku).
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One who is fully alive, yet have strong enough magical powers, may eventually, sooner or later, end up in the Reverse side of London.
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To Soul Society, people go when they die, not merely because of having Spiritual Power even if one is alive.
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Again, one said to be the "Reverse side" or "Hidden side" of a London. The other one is not said or stated to be the "Reverse" or "Hidden" side of any place in Japan or in Asia.
One is the Afterlive for the World Of The Living, the other is not stated to an Afterlife place.
One have the fate of buildings linked with normal world, the other doesn't have the fate of their buildings linked to the normal world.
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These are all very big irreconcilliable differences, which unless Kubo actually stated that Seireitei, Rukongai and Reverse London all exist within the same planet in the same dimension, are simply too great to consider them the same dimension without the word of the Author for it.
@anotherusername: Another user name another alt
When you yourself don't have any good arguments, try to attack your opponent's image is all left you can do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Literally posted a QnA of kubo stating west branch is the counterpart to east branch and in same world
Narratively speaking, it is a counter part (Witches --> Shinigamis, Dragons --> Hollows, Wingbind --> Gotei 13).
Cosmologycally speaking. There's no evidence that Reverse London exist in the same dimension or space continuum as the Seireitei and Rukongai.
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East branch in not in outer space it’s on the ground of a planet the same planet west branch is on its it’s counterpart in the sense that these are two distinct organizations that deal with different creatures
I never said it was in outer space.
It is the "opposite", "reverse" or "hidden" side of London.
That makes it more similar to how the Wandereich is to the Seireitei than how Soul Society is to the World Of The Living.
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Wizards and witches don’t focus on souls and hollows they focus on dragons this means indefinitely that dragons are only native in west branch area of soul society planet not in easy branch similar to substituting the Wolverine for being native to Europe and not Japan
Not really.
Dragons exist or existed in Japan too. However in Japan, they just kill their Dragons right away, no questions asked.
Note how it is stated that Dragons are killed in "Japan" --> which is a country that exist on Earth in the World of the Living, not in Rukongai or Seireitei. (Whether witches exist in Japan too and japanese witches are the ones that kill all japanese dragons, or if Shinigamis go out of their way and their usual job of fighting Huecos in order to kill Dragons whenever they appear specifically in Japan or Asia, we don't know, we just know whoever kills dragons there, kill them all, no questions asked).
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Both shinigami make gates to travel from earth to soul society
Not really.
You have no evidence of that claim.
Witches travel in and out of Reverse London (hidden, opposite side of London).
Shinigamis travel in and out of Soul Society's dimension.
From an organizational point of view, it is called the West Branch. But the organizational structure itself doesn't imply that Reverse London itself also exist within the same dimension as the Seireitei and Rukongai.
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Your focusing too much on why they don’t have hollows or dragons in each other areas not on how hollows are instinctively drawn to Kara town which is in Japan same case it might be for dragons who are drawn to London
As I showed already. Dragons do exist in Japan (not the Seireitei and Rukongai), and they just get killed right away.
It isn't stated that hollows do not exist in London or anywhere else in the Western hemisphere of the Planet.
Hollows are souls which got corrupted, either because they were turned into hollows by other hollows, or they were pluses (souls bounded to Earth) which didn't transmigrated and eventually turned into hollows when their chains of fate corroded entirely.
That said, there's no reason for Burn The Witch to show any hollow, as narratively, the story focuses on Dragons and witches, and witches do not have the power to purify hollows either like Shinigamis do. So all in all, if there was any hollow in London, a Shinigami would be the one hunting it, not a witch, hollows fall out of the organizational responsability scope of witches, and the figths of hollows and shinigamis falls out of the narrative scope of Burn The Witch, which story focuses solely on dragons and witches.
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Seretei buildings are not connected to Kara town the same way that reverse London buildings are connected because seretei is not the parallel city of Kara town Japan has several cities Kara town is just one fictional one. But shinigami can move Kara town to soul society in a manner of speaking and replace it with an empty population town of same size a replica like reverse londomn being a replica of real London they can create a fake Kara town replica of real Kara town only the fake one doesn’t have the connection to the buildings damage to real Kara town how can east branch be a counterpart of w ranch yet them both being used for the same sekai world they are in same sekai as in Planet some even say they are from real London which is on earth and earth is the parallel world to soul society this all is solidifying my unbreakable evidence and stands and debunking you with a alt this time all the same what a pity even on another account you couldn’t stop the debunking before being knocked out of bounds ring out
You say a lot of stuff of which you can not even write in a coherent manner.
The relationship between Front London and Reverse London is clearly more similar to the relationship between the Seireitei and the Wandereich.
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The Wandereich Quincy shadow dimension is described as "existing in the SAME PLACE, at the SAME TIME" as the Seireitei, without comming into contact with it.
As far as I'm concerned, Reverse London exist in the SAME PLACE at the SAME TIME as Front London without comming into contact with it.
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In Reverse London, if a building gets destroyed, in Front London, the Front Building will get destroyed in the same way.
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Similarly, because the Vandenreich exist in the Shadow of the Seireitei.
If the Seireitei get's destroyed, that would be a problem to the Vandenreich too (implying both would get destroyed) --> Which is more like the Relationship between Front London and Reverse London.
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QnA Kubo stating west and east branch are counterparts and showing the statement “the world will not end” the sekai will not end meaning soul society also holds weight
Yeah, narratively speaking they are counterparts, because....
Burn The Witch was created as a spin off of Bleach.
And as such it was created to have a similar image to Bleach.
And we can see the narrative elements that make it that way.
Narratively speaking:
Witches --> Shinigamis
Dragons --> Hollows
Wingbind --> Gotei 13.
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Yet again, that's not evidence that Reverse London exist in the same space-continuum dimension as the Seireitei, Rukongai or the Gotei 13.
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The only things that got debunked here are your comments. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@rdcdesmond said:
Its also stated one of rukia kido comes from the west branch so they the two districts are on same planet but probably haven’t had t been around one another for years in the case something might have happened where they were forced to cut off contact with East branch.
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West Branch, East Branch?
Or do you mean West Rukongai's Third District?
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Where Rukia first began trainning with the assistant captain Kaien. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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(TBH: It wouldn't even make sense for Rukia to travel to Reverse London to learn Kido, considering it is an art developed and mastered by Shinigamis, that said, even if she did travelled there to learn some special kido developed there, that still wouldn't mean Reverse London existed inside the same space continuum of the same dimension as the Seireitei as it wouldn't be impossible for her to go to the World Of The Living, go to London, and use the coin gate or phone both to get into Reverse London to learn whatever special kido they could have developed specificallythere, assuming that could even happen, which as I said, narratively wouldn't make much sense, and She never trained in Reverse London as far as I'm concerned, she trained in West RUKONGAI).
Kubo stated West branch is the counterpart of East Branch
The very chapter says the Sekai will not end
The very chapter labels Reverse London being in Soul Society
Witches and Wizards also have numbered spells like shinigami numbered kidos
There might have a mutual connection until both offices were forced to cut off contact
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Can someone explain how night falls on billions of light years or would planet make sense lol
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It rather seems like you don't know the meaning of "sky".
Sky is all of what we can see when watching upward, it includes the atmosphere and outer space too.
But you are talking about the "sky" as if it meant just the atmosphere"
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Regardless of that, talking about whether the sky of Soul Society means it's a universe or a planet or whatever is kind of irrelevant cause we were not even talking about it. We were talking about whether Reverse London exist on the same planet and same spatial dimension as the Seireitei and Rukongai, which as far as I'm concerned, it does not, and evidence doesn't shows it that way either. Reverse London is something that somehow probably exist inside the dimension of the World of the Living, just like the Wandereich and the Soul Ling Palace dimensions exist inside the Soul Society's dimension.
@anotherusername: There isn't one single sky that encompasses the entire universe, as the concept of a "sky" is tied to a specific viewpoint from a surface. Whats depicted from Venus sky is not whats depicted from earth sky. Nor does nightfall on a entire universe. Night falls on the earth sky. Soul Society sky is depicted wit a blue sky and night sky when its night. What a dumb assesement you dont even understand that a atmosphere is part of a sky. Seeing whats outer space doesnt mean the earth sky covers the entire universe troll lol
@anotherusername: Planetary size dimension to be accurate. The space only consist of the planet. The sky of Soul Society and ground of soul society are singlular words describing context of single entity descriptions. Planetary features. A atmosphere and are confined to planets.
@anotherusername: Planetary size dimension to be accurate. The space only consist of the planet. The sky of Soul Society and ground of soul society are singlular words describing context of single entity descriptions. Planetary features. A atmosphere and are confined to planets.
Sigh...
Maybe they are the size of planets, solar systems, galaxies, universe, whatever.
The plot takes place on what seemingly might look like 3 planets anyway, although each one is in its own dimension.
Again, I repeat, the word sky is not the same as just the atmosphere.
Yes, the sky includes the atmosphere, but it doesn't end up there. The " Sky " goes as far as our eyes can see from our perspective on Earth's surface. It includes the clouds, the Sun, the Moon and the stars. It doesn't have a definite "distance limit" or "physical boundary" like the Karman line.
And as crazy as that may sound, according to some people, because of how long it takes to travel, just the distance between the Seireitei and the Soul King Palace might actually be many times over beyond the diameter of the Earth, so as far as we know, if this is true, then even just the atmosphere of whatever happens to be that which we may call as the "Soul Society" may actually be several times higher than the entire width of the planet Earth.
But anyway, regardless of the size of the dimension. It seems like our conversation about our original theme (if Reverse London is part or not of the same dimension as the Seireitei) seems to be over.
@anotherusername: Arguing against sky of soul society trying to claim its not talking about a planet is still coping on your part trying to save face but the common sense factor should have kicked in. No one thinks sky in context is talking about billions of ligh years or stars. Certainly the context says cut the sky. Clearly the character isnt cutting a rnge of a universe but the sky of the atmosphere of the planet itself.
The Sky is the visual perception of what we see in the sky which is impacted by the planet rotation axis and it atmosphere. Some planets like venus have a different rotation and slower one compared to earth and its day and night cycle would last longer than ours of 8pm-5am
The character in bleach isnt splitting their perception of billions of light years but the soul society blue sky with clouds that are on a planet
If Kinshiki splits the sky he isnt splitting a universe but the sky of a planet
If luffy splits the sky he isnt splitting a universe and billions of light years only the sky of a planet
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@anotherusername: Arguing against sky of soul society trying to claim its not talking about a planet is still coping on your part trying to save face but the common sense factor should have kicked in. No one thinks sky in context is talking about billions of ligh years or stars. Certainly the context says cut the sky. Clearly the character isnt cutting a rnge of a universe but the sky of the atmosphere of the planet itself.
The Sky is the visual perception of what we see in the sky which is impacted by the planet rotation axis and it atmosphere. Some planets like venus have a different rotation and slower one compared to earth and its day and night cycle would last longer than ours of 8pm-5am
The character in bleach isnt splitting their perception of billions of light years but the soul society blue sky with clouds that are on a planet
If Kinshiki splits the sky he isnt splitting a universe but the sky of a planet
If luffy splits the sky he isnt splitting a universe and billions of light years only the sky of a planet
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Sure, " splitting the sky " can just mean the clouds or the atmosphere, because although the "sky" is may include the sun, the moon and the stars, splitting the sky is about generating a split to the visual perception of that which we call the sky, so a split by clouds or any other phenomenon that covers our view of the sky, let's say from one side of the horizon to the other could count as that, as what is splitted is the perception or the way in which that which we called the "sky" looks like, making it look divided in at least two sections. So, anything from just really big cloud, to the auroras like the northern lights, or the band of stars in the night view the Milky Way can be said to "split the sky" because they divide the sky into sections with something which can distinguish as a line that crosses from one side of the horizon, goes above our heads and reaches the other side of the horizon or something like that, dividing the sky into two parts.
Not that something splitting the sky sets any definite limit to the size of the dimension anyway. Because of that one thing is to say, "there's the Sun, the Moon and the stars in the sky", and another thing is to say, "he splitted the sky". They mean two different things, which means that although "splitting the sky" doesn't necessarily mean causing a split to things in outer space thousands of light years away as far as our eyes can see, the view of the sky still certainly doesn't end in the troposhpere at 10 KM above us, nor at the Mesosphere at 50 KM or 80 KM above us or even at 100 KM above our heads at the Karman line, because the view of the sky does go as far as the eyes can see and it does include the Sun, the Moon and the stars. And this means that at whatever height it was that happened the phenomenon that cause the sky to look visually splitted into two sections (let's say it was at the troposphere for example) it is not the distance that limits that which we may call the sky, much less it marks the limit or boundary to the extension of the space-continuum of the dimension.
This statement implies splitting a blue sky from the shinigami depiction of the soul society sky being dark and depiction that night falls on it it has a sun night cycle SO THE "SEKAI" that night falls on is a planet. Not a universe. Night does not fall on a universe. This is why uchuu is not used for bleach worlds because they arent spaces that consist of multiple galaxies but mere planet size spaces. With the view point of the real universe being visually viewable from their planet size dimension. This is also why soil of soul society would never be used for uchuu. A universe does not have a land or ground. Yet soul society is described with a single entity "the land of the living" humans dont live in outer space but only on earth. Even "the sky of soul society" would not be used for uchuu supporting that type of sentencing that bleach are talking about something impacting the worlds they are always planetary range features. Which yam supports, which senjumaru shaking not impacting stars supports, no celestial bodies in space shown effected, no meteors or asteroid belts, no black holes, no nebula. Its all wank. Blanks didnt push billions of light years of space they pushed planets because life and death planets are the only thing that the bleach worlds are. You only see the city of kara town in the image in the soul society sky. You dont see a image of billions of galaxies.
Night does not fall on billions of galaxies
Kubo context and writing doesnt agree with the fans highball wank making things more than it is
Its like fans wanking juubi obito to universal based off being using the sekai kanji when everything that describes naruto sekai is talking about the planet and when they talk about space they use uchuu
Even above it uses "world"
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