Which Sith and Jedi can defeat Yoda in a fight aside from Sidious and Luke?
Yoda is at his prime or at least the closest to his prime that we have seen
Sith and Jedi can be from any era. Neutral battleground
It can be from EU/Legends/Canon
Which Sith and Jedi can defeat Yoda in a fight aside from Sidious and Luke?
Yoda is at his prime or at least the closest to his prime that we have seen
Sith and Jedi can be from any era. Neutral battleground
It can be from EU/Legends/Canon
Jedi- Grandmaster Luke is the only one I can really think of atm
Sith- ROTS, ROTJ & DE Palpatine, Valkorion/ Vitate/ Tenebrae and possibly Darths Cadets and Plagueis.
Feel free to name any others, my Star Wars knowledge isn't what it use to be.
Jedi: Luke Skywalker
Sith: Darth Sidious (ROTJ onwards) will definitely take a majority. Darth Vitiate (during SOR, before being the Immortal Emperor) can probably split with him. A few can take a good number of rounds off him but not the majority, they include Darth Plageuis, Darth Krayt, Darth Caedus, and Knightfall Vader.
Other beings: Valkorion
I'm not too knowledgeable but I heard that Sarasu Taalon is extremely powerful. Can he defeat Yoda?
Jedi: He should be 2nd only to GM Luke
Sith: Palps, and possibly Vitiate. Some others could maybe take a few rounds from him like Plagueis or Caedus. Pretty sure I'm missing some but my knowledge on the EU has greatly diminished over time.
Jedi: Galen Marek, Starkiller, potentially Kyp Durron, potentially Jaina Solo.
Sith: Potentially RotS Anakin ( ~> in raw power, though Yoda could still pull a win due to Anakin's instability ), Darth Vader, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt. Post-Pool Sarasu Taalon. Potentially Darish Vol. Potentially Plagueis.
Jedi: GM Luke, Mace, maybe Kyp.
Sith: Sidious, Krayt(?), KFV.
Others: Valkorion, Nyax(?), Unuthul(?).
Jedi that can beat Yoda:
Sith that can beat Yoda:
there are more (not a knock against yoda, but plenty of cream of the crop characters have been introduced over the years) but they escape me for the moment
Jedi: GM Luke, Mace, maybe Kyp.
Sith: Sidious, Krayt(?), KFV.
Others: Valkorion, Nyax(?), Unuthul(?).
How can Mace beat Yoda? Do you mean Mace could get some wins over Yoda but lose the majority? Or that Mace wins a majority?
GM Luke, Sidious post-ROTS, Valkorion potentially depending on how you view TOR vs the movie era, and that's all I can think of outside of the more abstract entities.
@killbilly: Lol at Wankiller defeating Yoda. Not even in his wildest dreams.
Starkiller telekinetically dominated Vader in TFU. 2 years later, Vader is confirmed to be more powerful than his RotS self. RotS Anakin has multiple quotes placing him above Yoda. This site ( not to mention LFL itself ) doesn't take into account statements by Lucas as being relevant to existing continuity. What exactly is your issue here? If you don't want to debate on a site with these parameters, nobody's forcing you to.
Jedi: GM Luke, Mace, maybe Kyp.
Sith: Sidious, Krayt(?), KFV.
Others: Valkorion, Nyax(?), Unuthul(?).
How can Mace beat Yoda? Do you mean Mace could get some wins over Yoda but lose the majority? Or that Mace wins a majority?
The former. He can take rounds, but he can't win a solid majority. Yoda wins 6/10 against Mace, maybe 7/10.
Jedi that can beat Yoda:
Sith that can beat Yoda:
there are more (not a knock against yoda, but plenty of cream of the crop characters have been introduced over the years) but they escape me for the moment
good list, but several things here
Firstly, Yoda is per canon superior to Mace. And if you are referring to Mace beating Sidious, Mace was only winning because:
A: Sidious was pretending defeat
B: Vaapad amp against Dark siders which will not affect Yoda
So Yoda is above Mace no problem
For Hoth tho...
Yoda is quite close to RoTS Sidious, so lets say it is like this:
ROTS Sidious > Yoda >>>>>>>>>>>> Prime Bane >>>>> POD Bane >>> Lord Hoth
There is no way in hell Lord Hoth is beating Yoda
For Jedi Master Revan, I agree if you are referring to EoO Revan, but if you are referring to KOTOR Revan, then Yoda beats him 9/10
For the Sith:
Sidious, Revan, Vader, and Nihilus can beat him I agree. Malgus stands no chance at least until the next update
Tulak Horde tho... I have no reason to believe Tulak is close to Yoda's level. His feats are mere hyperboles from a person that worships him. And Nox, a person who is inferior to Yoda, is superior to Kallig who is supposed to be equal to Tulak. I really don't understand why people take the hyperboles of a person that idolizes Tulak so literally
@anderioan: Lmao at Hoth, Revan, Malgus, Nihilus or featless Hord of all people doing shit to Yoda.
I agree with Hoth and potentially Horde, but why is Revan "doing shit" to Yoda? Revan has feats that scale above Yoda
@donloota: Valkorion isn't a Sith.
True but he's evil so he can stay there.
True but he's evil so he can stay there.
Yoda > Outlander > Revan or alternatively Yoda = RotS Sidious > TPM Sidious >= Plagueis > Sith Emperor Vitiate > Revan. And I am still waiting on that Bane > all TOR era Sith quote, would be the last nail in the coffin for the most overhyped of eras.
The best Jedi quote is canon and has no business in legends. Nothing suggests that Vitiate is above SoR Revan. HoT, who is vastly inferior to Revan, managed to ragdoll him. Now, yes, I understand that Vitiate is weakened. But HoT just fought through an army of Dark Siders on a DS nexus and then ragdolled Vitiate in an extremely potent DS nexus (The Dark temple), so I would argue that evens it out pretty well. Also, if you HAVE to mix legends and canon, then we also have:
EoO Revan >>> SoR Revan >> Revan Reborn >> KOTOR ends Revan > Malak >> Ajunta Pall > Karness Muur >> DT Sidious > ROTS Sidious > Yoda
for the previous scaling up to Malak there is no issue. For Malak > Pall, the reasoning is:
According to the Exiles, which includes Karness Muur and Ajunta Pall, the source of their power was the Star Map - a Sith artifact immeasurably less potent than the Star Forge. Thus, it logically follows that, with the Star Forge, Darth Malak is far greater than them, especially because the Exiles were weary over the power of the Star Map whereas Darth Malak mastered the Star Forge to levels never seen before.
"We were not the first to fall to the dark side. But we had more power than those before us. It came from elsewhere - our oldest secret. Only we would know, we lords. Only we would know where our power came from. It is a secret of so long ago. I no longer remember. So much power, it is blinding. You must find this place, or have you? Or did you? Or will you? Oh, so many images. I see your heart, human Jedi. I see your power, your pride. You, you will find the old place, the dark place, and you will regret it."
―Ajunta Pall (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
Even better, Malak is also stated above Kun, who is above all previous Sith.
Upon merely sensing the Muur talisman's power, DarthVader considers the possibility of being able to overthrow Emperor Palpatine using his and Muur's combined power. He also seems to regard Muur's as superior to his and even comparable to that of Palpatine's, as he believes that killing Palpatine with Muur's help would be "trading one master for another":
I sincerely do not want to use this scaling ever, as I consider it a mix of community, but since you insist, then...
@uhu123: The "most powerful Jedi" quote doesn't apply to the Outlander as of KOTFE, just so you know.
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