Hashirama or Madara can solo both of these island level clowns.
Hashirama is Island Level and Madara is below that, and that's only with their strongest Ninjutsu construct technique. They themselves are glass cannons physically speaking.
@ecoblitz: lmao what are you trying to imply?, he scales to Sage madara who can tank a complete assault from the tailed beast after taking his senjutsu chakra, he is usually in the epicenter of his fights against AOE spammers like kurama and madara. Madara PS rivals the tailed beast.
Secondly you make it sound like chars with no durability to speak of like Zeref would lose to Doffy(if you ignore his immortality).
even then, physical strength is not gonna help doffy win anything here lmao. Genjustu, several thousand hands, wooden golems that can palm a bijudama, wooden shields that can no-sell bijudama's, AOE pollen and more lol, Madara swinging his blade from PS.
Hell i even have Mads and Hashirama being able to give Admirals or Yonkous a good fight, so why would i consider doffy relevant here lol.
@ecoblitz: lmao what are you trying to imply?, he scales to Sage madara who can tank a complete assault from the tailed beast after taking his senjutsu chakra, he is usually in the epicenter of his fights against AOE spammers like kurama and madara.
even then, physical strength is not gonna help doffy win anything here lmao.
Hell i even have Mads and Hashirama being able to give Admirals or Yonkous a good fight, so why would i consider doffy relevant here lol.
What?He got bitchslapped by the Bijuus and even lost an arm
@ecoblitz: you can’t even show me planet level Luffy destroying a country so idky you are getting so confident here on top of that hashirama and madara don’t fight with their physical strength so what are u talking about
@ecoblitz: why would you tag me? Between Al the ones here downplaying OP. Anyway if you want my thoughts, Madara and Hashi (alive) have scaling above characters with those kinds of feats in that tier and above. That said stats isn't even the main topic, only wincon for team 2 is Memento Mori, but Madara can just shut him down with Genjutsu (which is IC for him to do), and I have Doffy below the ninja duo in physical power and hax (And btw, as a OP debater, I'm not downplaying him with "muh island piece" downplay, I have him well above island level etc).
@thedarkrevanper: I never made a claim of planet level. Luffy, I don’t even think Luffy is planet level lmao.
Idc how they fight, I care how their opponents fight. Doffy puts strings in their spine and controls them except you’ve got lifting feats for them >>>mountain level+
@laufnyr: Because you made a claim, that’s why I tagged you. What characters in Naruto do Hashi and Mass scale above PHYSICALLY STRENGTH WISE that have mountain+ level physical feats??
(I’ve got Doffy at around island level/island level+ or so lol. Idk haven’t gone back that far in a min)
@ecoblitz: Ahh well most of the other OP fangirls have Luffy at casual moon-planet level I’m surprised you have any common sense left unlike the rest of them
anyway the strings aren’t relevant they get destroyed by wood or fire style
@ecoblitz: why would you tag me? Between Al the ones here downplaying OP. Anyway if you want my thoughts, Madara and Hashi (alive) have scaling above characters with those kinds of feats in that tier and above. That said stats isn't even the main topic, only wincon for team 2 is Memento Mori, but Madara can just shut him down with Genjutsu (which is IC for him to do), and I have Doffy below the ninja duo in physical power and hax (And btw, as a OP debater, I'm not downplaying him with "muh island piece" downplay, I have him well above island level etc).
Its not IC for Madara to cast Genjutsu.And Mard can break out of it like BoS Laxus would
Lol no.Both Mystoguns,Viernes and Macbeths shit are better.BoS Laxus Tier broke out of it while doing a counter attack.Hence Mard will break out of it as well
@dertilt: lmao you must be joking to think whatever mystogan or macbeth use comes anywhere close to a sharingan genjutsu user's potency. much less chars like madara who have advanced to EMS stages.
mystogan/macbeth genjutsu= basic genjutsu at best( a fodder genjutsu during part 1(that covered the stadium)that can be no sold by experienced ninja's in konaha comes no where close to even 1 tomoe sharingan potency, much less EMS madara's.
OP fans not wanking Doflamingo is challenge impossible these days. These of course are deliberate downplays of Naruto characters aiming to making it seem like higher tiers of OP characters are out of their league.
He gets stomped by either ninja, Madara doesn't even need PS for the likes of him.
Dofla is a non factor, now, what do people scale Mard from cause from what I know he doesn't stand a chance either.
Mard Geer is a major weak link here,however memento mori is a game changer if it manages to land and admittedly if this is against an in character cocky Madara who likes to tank attacks for fun like he usually does in fights,he will get erased,otherwise Mard gets genjutsu'd before he can use his ultimate move.Doffy is physically stronger,durable and much faster than everyone here but lacks the DC and AP to damage perfect susanoo or true several thousand hands statue if the ninja decide to draw out their big guns early on.
Honestly could go either way,personally I'm leaning towards the ninja winning more often than not.On one hand the ninjas can win if they use Susanoo,genjutsu and Buddha statue early on in the fight however mard Geer and doffy can win if Doffy starts off with puppetry shenanigans and mard uses memento mori.A fight like this would be interesting if both sides had prior knowledge on each other's abilities
Mard Geer and Doflamingo absolutely stomp the living shit out of them. I'd be willing to do Mard Geer CaV against either of them.
Starting off with physical strength, Founders are weaker than Tsunade:
And that's shown by the fact Tsunade can punch holes into Madara's body, whereas Madara's punches doesn't damage the likes of Sai and SM Naruto. Even his Limbo enhanced by SM didn't damage Gaara.
What's Tsunade strength feats? Punching boulders or making small craters? Fodder stuff. Tsunade is weaker than just about any relevant Mid Tier from FT and OP.
It means in H2H combat, Founders are getting red pasted by any punch/kick from Mard and Doffy. It means they can't break out of Parasite String and Thorn. Doffy's Parasite String has feats of restraining people who can throw 100,000 ton iceberg like Jozu. Mard's Thorns have feats of restraining Kyoka who can bust islands with her bare hands.
Have you seen Madara/Hashirama bench press an iceberg or punch islands? These glass cannons are impressed by Tsunade's strength. Susanoo and Mokuton constructs are also not that impressive in all honestly against them.
Base Mard Geer fought on equal grounds with the Celestial Spirt King, who can dish out attacks comparable to Madara's Perfect Susanoo.
He's much higher than that with his Tartaros form. Doflamingo has his scaling that should put him close to that firepower. They can easily contend with Perfect Susanoo and Wood Golem. Hashirama's Buddha has higher firepower, but that big slow shit is useless considering it's not designed to fight human targets, especially when they're speedsters and can fly.
@molt: lmao so much dishonesty if we are going that route then both shinobi's are far faster than Mard geer and he gets caught in genjutsu.
as we know a ship is faster than acnologia/zeref also being a glass canon. Mardgeer's senior acnologia after eating the ravines of time, his solar flare attack was multi-city level.
Madara tanks attacks from all nine tailed beast each with Mountain+ attacks, Hell kurama who can tank Juubi's beam was among them. And madara managed to survive and walk it off. hashirama would scale to that.
Madara and hashirama bring their constructs and Nuke the landscape, Doffy dies as an after effect, Mard geer is put under genjutsu and eventually killed too.
Mard Geer and Doflamingo absolutely stomp the living shit out of them. I'd be willing to do Mard Geer CaV against either of them.
Starting off with physical strength, Founders are weaker than Tsunade:
And that's shown by the fact Tsunade can punch holes into Madara's body, whereas Madara's punches doesn't damage the likes of Sai and SM Naruto. Even his Limbo enhanced by SM didn't damage Gaara.
What's Tsunade strength feats? Punching boulders or making small craters? Fodder stuff. Tsunade is weaker than just about any relevant Mid Tier from FT and OP.
It means in H2H combat, Founders are getting red pasted by any punch/kick from Mard and Doffy. It means they can't break out of Parasite String and Thorn. Doffy's Parasite String has feats of restraining people who can throw 100,000 ton iceberg like Jozu. Mard's Thorns have feats of restraining Kyoka who can bust islands with her bare hands.
Have you seen Madara/Hashirama bench press an iceberg or punch islands? These glass cannons are impressed by Tsunade's strength. Susanoo and Mokuton constructs are also not that impressive in all honestly against them.
Base Mard Geer fought on equal grounds with the Celestial Spirt King, who can dish out attacks comparable to Madara's Perfect Susanoo.
He's much higher than that with his Tartaros form. Doflamingo has his scaling that should put him close to that firepower. They can easily contend with Perfect Susanoo and Wood Golem. Hashirama's Buddha has higher firepower, but that big slow shit is useless considering it's not designed to fight human targets, especially when they're speedsters and can fly.
Madara withstood the physical attacks of the Bijuus, something that would have turned Tsunade into paste, and was still in a weaker form than when he fought Hashirama at the Valley of the End. Mard Geer never fought the Celestial Spirit King physically, he fought using his plant manipulation and energy projections. It's the same thing you accuse Madara and Hashirama of doing. Also, the image you showed of Edo Madara was a mokuton bunshin.
@thedarkrevanper: what they have them at is irrelevant to this thread. I could have luffy at casual multiversal level with omnipresence and causality manipulation and it would still be literally 100,000% irrelevant to this thread because luffy is not in it.
Now can you tell me how fire style or wood style will be used when Doffy is controlling them with strings??
@dertilt: Madara is ironically the MVP. Not only does he have genjutsu to potentially drop neither but unlike hashirama his susanno actually does prevent him from being cheesed by physically superior fighters. Not to mention it can't be turned into strings unlike wood release.
@edgelord91: How would anything in doffy arsenal even stop Hashirama's constructs lmao or change anything here, Mard geer himself is not a physical beast, just a wizard who spams plants from afar and his only major wincon that turns things around is momento mori, which will never land in the First place.
Several thousand hands like basically like a stronger Kong gun.
Doffy takes them one on one. Both together might be too much.. especially since Mard geer doesn't really measure up and Madara or Hashirama could just step on him with their avatars.
Could go either way if Doffy can high diff it with his speed and mobility advantage otherwise Ninja duo wins. I am betting on the latter.
Why are people posting durability feats when I asked for lifting feats?? 😭😭
I thought I was the only one noticing the logical disconnect in scaling durability to strength. They are mutually exclusive stats. CV be wildin wit these users.
lmao so much dishonesty if we are going that route then both shinobi's are far faster than Mard geer and he gets caught in genjutsu.
as we know a ship is faster than acnologia/zeref also being a glass canon. Mardgeer's senior acnologia after eating the ravines of time, his solar flare attack was multi-city level.
You don't wanna go into that route because I can bring worse off examples for the ninjas too. Like how Kakashi and SM Naruto struggled with 5 second interval of Shinra Tensei, and how Tsunade who's slower than Kabuto whose nervous system explicitly stated to flow at 360 kmh and these are people who went on to fight Madara and react to his attacks.
Madara tanks attacks from all nine tailed beast each with Mountain+ attacks, Hell kurama who can tank Juubi's beam was among them. And madara managed to survive and walk it off. hashirama would scale to that.
He didn't tank shit. He was all bruised up and bleeding heavy from the smackdown the 1-7 Tailed Beast gave him.
Those 1-7 Tailed Beasts are featless fodder with no striking/lifting strength feats to speak of. When Kurama and Gyuki struck him, his Legged Susanoo got annihilated and he lost an arm, so again, where is the durability feat here exactly?
Mard Geer and Doflamingo are leagues stronger than Tailed Beasts in strength anyways, so none of this matters. And their attacks are piercing/cutting-based, can you show piercing/cutting durability feats for the Founders?
Madara and hashirama bring their constructs and Nuke the landscape, Doffy dies as an after effect, Mard geer is put under genjutsu and eventually killed too.
Founders won't get the chance to bring those constructs because they'll be dead before it happens, whether it be in H2H combat or Doffy restraining them with Parasite String and Mard guts them with Thorns.
Even if they do bring them out, Hashirama's Buddha is useless because it's slow and they can fly out of its attack range. They can easily fight Perfect Susanoo and Wood Golem and overwhelm them, because those constructs are Mountain+ level in feats and they're above that.
@molt: lmao at mardgeer being leagues above the founder's, he has no physical feats other than using plants to fight celestial spirit king too. Lmao what does 5 sec rinnegan rule affect Madara and Hashirama lmao? they are just as fast as tobirama and other chars. besides the 5 secs rule is way better than the fastest char/strongest char in the verse being outpaced by a moving ship. lol what does you nervous system flowing with 360 km have to do with your speed?
Zeref has no speed feats or mountain level feats nor good physicals either. His so called Infinite magic might not even be infinite and he died to fire.
Mard geer has trash physical then cause he must have worse physicals than zeref who no physical feats of note due to being inferior. Only doffy has a case for physicals here, which is still irrelevant as he gets slapped by just the after effects of anythign madara or hashirama does.
Madara laughed of all that from tailed beast possessing easily mountain+ physicals lol, lmao naruto and gyuki joined in too but he used susanoo at the last minute. That alone slaps any physical feats you can find for mardgeer or zeref.
Again mardeer is irrelevant here, his seniors barely even have crazy feats zeref? a neo-eclipse merchant, acnologia? one of his strongest attacks after eating the ravines of time, is barely city-level. this are levels madara and hashirama can casually output. One stare from madara it's GG's for mard or doffy, nothing doffy does gets past Hashirama's mokutons and madara's susanoo. plus Hashirama makes 25 wooden clones, Madara summons more clones with susanoo. True several thousand hands slaps both mard geer and doffy combined lmao. show me mountain level feats from mard first, as for doffy he lost to kong gun, which Several thousand hands of buddha is far stronger and worse with each hand being able to pick up the nine-tailed covered susanoo like a house-cat. Madara unsheathes his perfect susanoo and oneshots mardgeer and doffy almost dies to the aftereffects and goes on to get soloed by hashirama.
They can dothing about clones, genjutsu potency, several thousand hands of budhha, golem, PS, aOE Wood relase pollen, and many more crazy versatility.
OT: madara alone can solo, so can hashirama. Two of them makes this spite.
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