Base Momoshiki (Boruto) vs Kaguya (Naruto)

@shadyyyyyy: I dont know how you want us to assume her power when all her feats come when she absorbed the chakra

Kaguya still beats momo, he has no win con, she is still immortal, she can absorb chakra, so momo throwing ninjutsu at her means nothing, he has no taijutsu feats, meanwhile kaguya has her ash bone hax, and can stab him and turn him to ashes, only thing i will not say she will be doing is spamming amenotominaka.

But her ash bone is GG...

Base momo can't beat edo madara, he is fodder to kaguya

She doesnt have access to it, as in she cant use it like she did in her dimension to gain more power , she has all feats prior to that

@shadyyyyyy: doesn't matter, base momo can't even beat edo madara, make a thread with edo madara/Hashirama or BM minato vs base momo... Kaguya is overkill.

If it was Fused Momo then it'd be a fight, Base loses

@uchihaghost: pretty sure base momo destroys madara except maybe his Higher Jin version's but not gonna get into that with you.

Lets do this, create a thread lol, been waiting for this... RUN ITTT!!!!

@uchihaghost: do you accept base Momo scaling to Base Naruto-Toneri levels>>>>>>edo madara? then we can run it lol.

@trideca001: i do not accept irrational positions, up until you prove darui or shikamaru have grown 500x stronger than their war arc counterparts, then i do not accept base naruto to be moon level, when he needed to enhance himself with kurama chakra to reach those levels.

She feared momo and kin together. But momo alone can absorb kaguya attacks and shoot them back twice as strong then pin her injured state with chakra rods forcing her to leave to one of her dimensions giving momo the W due to ring out.

@uchihaghost: no he didn't lmao, he quite literally destroyed the tenseigan and the barrier which needed Moon moving power to protect it with Hamura's chakra from Hinata.

Base Naruto relative or around the Ball park of that moon moving power>>>>>>>>>>edo madara in anyway or no matter how you wanna put it for even the greatest Naruto fans who depise boruto.

edit: same reason a char like Sakura can break the horn of chars like Kaguya who vastly exceeded Dual rinnegan juubi-jin madara.

@trideca001: yes he did, can you prove that hinata's chakra was not a weakness to the tenseigan barrier?? Cuz naruto wouldn't have been able to do it by himself, so what makes you think its not a senjutsu like weakness?

Answer is, you desperately want to upgrade him, ignoring other factors...like narrative and plot...

If naruto in base could destroy a planet + barrer (cuz the barrier will with stand the earth and moon collision) it will make base naruto planet +

@uchihaghost: Lmao nope infact hinata couldn't do it alone. she possessed a POWER WHICH WAS HAMURA'S CHAKRA WHICH ALLOWED HER INTERACT WITH THE TENSEIGAN.

While naruto straight up had the Power to destroy the Tenseigan but he couldn't Interact with it as it would drain his chakra(basically the movie shows he needs hamura's chakra to be able to interact with it).

Naruto after hinata gave him Hamura's chakra oneshotted The barrier of the Tenseigan in Base lol.

Lmao what are you even talking about most people i talk to here and off-site Knows i have base Naruto around Moon level too, which they also do. There is no ignoring any narrative or plot going on here.

Yes which is why i have base Naruto around Moon-planet levels. besides You do know just because his base form falls into that level doesn't mean his higher forms can't also be around that same level just higher within that tier.

I can even get momoshiki higher via him destroying that head-avatar naruto and sasuke used to protect themselves, boruto and sarada(momoshiki took a fodder lightning jutsu from boruto and powered it up to use against naruto and sasuke).

@uchihaghost: Yes base Naruto base was amped from hag and he trained for two years after war. Destroying vessel is just a feat that warrants base Naruto to being much stronger than what you claim. And him using KCM+SM to beat a humanoid and stronger version of tenseigan who can replicate same feats as the vessel is just the cherry on top of cake to support us.

Hinata was easily thrown into a cage by toneri.

@trideca001: Lmao nope infact hinata couldn't do it alone. she possessed a POWER WHICH WAS HAMURA'S CHAKRA WHICH ALLOWED HER INTERACT WITH THE TENSEIGAN.

Yea doesn't mean her chakra is not a weakness to the shield, you keep pushing your headcanon as facts, does not work like that. You need to back up your arguments with statements and feats my boy

While naruto straight up had the Power to destroy the Tenseigan but he couldn't Interact with it as it would drain his chakra(basically the movie shows he needs hamura's chakra to be able to interact with it).

Repeating yourself does not help your case

Naruto after hinata gave him Hamura's chakra oneshotted The barrier of the Tenseigan in Base lol.

Yea i know what happened, he needed hamura chakra from hinata to breach it

Lmao what are you even talking about most people i talk to here and off-site Knows i have base Naruto around Moon level too, which they also do. There is no ignoring any narrative or plot going on here.

I didn't say you didn't have him there, i said its absurd to think base naruto and kcsm naruto operate at the same level

Yes which is why i have base Naruto around Moon-planet levels. besides You do know just because his base form falls into that level doesn't mean his higher forms can't also be around that same level just higher within that tier.

Nope, SM alone is around 10x boost for naruto, this is what happens when you get caught up with trying to upscale rather than how powers work lorewise

I can even get momoshiki higher via him destroying that head-avatar naruto and sasuke used to protect themselves, boruto and sarada(momoshiki took a fodder lightning jutsu from boruto and powered it up to use against naruto and sasuke).

There is already a statement for tha (blowing up surrounding lands) t, that puts him at continental level

@uchihaghost: Lmao stop making things up, Hamura's chakra is NOT A WEAKNESS it merely allows or makes Naruto immune to it's effects such as Draining his chakra.

Yes repeating my self helps here, cause clearly you haven't heard it enough to understand what we are trying to say

glad you know that Naruto merely needed hamura's chakra not get drained completely.

It's not absurd. Base Naruto can operate at such tier, while his stronger transformation can operate in higher levels within that tier. it's basic powerscaling

SM being a 10x doesn't matter(which is not even a definite stated multiplier tbh), you probably underestimate or misunderstand just how big the gap is between baseline planet level and High-end planet level.

Lmao what continental level? you must be kidding. There is no statement that puts Momo at continental level(which is still way beyond edo madara's paygrade).

@trideca001: straight owning good work

@trideca001: Lmao stop making things up, Hamura's chakra is NOT A WEAKNESS it merely allows or makes Naruto immune to it's effects such as Draining his chakra.

You are the one making assumptions that naruto used his power 100% to destroy it, and not hamura being the reason for its breach

Yes repeating my self helps here, cause clearly you haven't heard it enough to understand what we are trying to say

I understand what you said perfectly fine... You think base naruto is capable of destroying a planet level tenseigan dome with a friggin rasengan lol

I say no, that makes no sense narratively, when his stronger mode was flattened by an attack that could destroy surrounding lands

glad you know that Naruto merely needed hamura's chakra not get drained completely.

Hamura's chakra served as a counter like sage mode against juubi jins. My point exactly

It's not absurd. Base Naruto can operate at such tier, while his stronger transformation can operate in higher levels within that tier. it's basic powerscaling

BS, if the barrier can withstand a planet + explosion, that makes base naruto planet +, that means with just COR barragehe can destroy several large planets.... Based on the idea that his base rasengan can destroy tenseigan shield, which i find to be absurd.

SM being a 10x doesn't matter(which is not even a definite stated multiplier tbh), you probably underestimate or misunderstand just how big the gap is between baseline planet level and High-end planet level.

Its not a definite stated multiplier, cuz CM which is not even on SM level, from jurobo gave him 10x boost, so SM multiplier might even be more.

Refer to what i saidabove, if base naruto rasengan is planet level, then with a mode thats just 10x boost, that makes naruto way above star level in just sage mode with COR barrage.

Lmao what continental level? you must be kidding. There is no statement that puts Momo at continental level(which is still way beyond edo madara's paygrade).

Sasuke didn't say the planet, butthe surrounding lands, which means land of fire/water/cloud etc, which puts the BD at continental level

@uchihaghost: Nothing but DC deprived thirst bucket arguments

Naruto already bacscales to Kaguya who is above full and half of Hag who scales to pushing moon calc 1.6754889945665E+33 = 400 zettatons

59 is baseline for planetary

Continent lv is only petatons

Naruto is thousands of times above the dc your clinging to

Just like vegeta is thousands of times the dc his big bang does

characters dont just become auto weaker due to heat of the moment dc if they previously scale to feats much higher and naruto scales to higher than kaguya who scales higher than hag who teen naruto scales half to which hag alone is 400 zettatons multi planetary it would be like implying vegeta asa super saiyan is weaker than frieza first form due to vegeta only showcasing mountain level dc and first form frieza planet dc via planet vegeta

@rdcdesmond: yeaup i guess base naruto is stronger than hags who gave half his chakra to WA RSM naruto and sasuke(capable of creating half a moon) your line of reasoning makes sense.

Valley of the end Madara would one shot momo. edo madara is overkill

he wiped out, the kage without trying and was trolling them, the whole time.

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Compare, do you want my clones to use sussanno and the kage are nothing to me

to,

we can brute force overpower momo if he only use physical force

not all all does that even make sense to what you just said lol

@joesmithy226:

Hokage Base Naruto > the last Base Naruto > End Of 4th War Base Naruto > Darui

Its like ignoring common sense and saying kaguya would be darui lv for fearing darui lv characters

@rdcdesmond: ignore that clown he hates both naruto and boruto, he is using naruto to camouflage and hate on boruto.

only people who hate the Naruto series are boruto fans

@rdcdesmond said:

@joesmithy226:

Hokage Base Naruto > the last Base Naruto > End Of 4th War Base Naruto > Darui

Its like ignoring common sense and saying kaguya would be darui lv for fearing darui lv characters

Except base momo ain't kaguya lv, he's below darui and Gaara in terms of raw brute force

or at least that''s what the manga told me

and Boruto series Naruto is not above the Shippuden naruto

the manga told me, he was rusty and pitiful in the Boruto series

im not ignoring common sense

im simply goes based on facts, as the Boruto series portrays it ( nothing more nothing less)

@joesmithy226: aight man if it helps you sleep(cope) better at night

@rdcdesmond said:

@uchihaghost said:

yeaup i guess base naruto is stronger than hags who gave half his chakra to WA RSM naruto and sasuke(capable of creating half a moon) your line of reasoning makes sense.

not all all does that even make sense to what you just said lol

Hago would be above kcm2 adult naruto

nothing suggests, he's gonna tank a six paths chibaku tenseigan

Im going based on facts not cope

@joesmithy226: how can he be below them in raw brute force, if multiple chars are trying to jump him together? darui, garaa, sasuke, naruto ?

@joesmithy226: Except Base momo is NOT darui lv or gaara lv he's kaguya lv and above which is why kaguya fears him she doesnt fear two darui lv characters youd have to be a moron to think that

If Momo was darui lv he would not make base naruto bleed from a kick nor woud he have eaten a chakra fruit which is like absorbing a ten tails

Debunked ....................Next

@rdcdesmond said:

@joesmithy226: Except Base momo is NOT darui lv or gaara lv he's kaguya lv and above which is why kaguya fears him she doesnt fear two darui lv characters youd have to be a moron to think that

If Momo was darui lv he would not make base naruto bleed from a kick nor woud he have eaten a chakra fruit which is like absorbing a ten tails

Debunked ....................Next

Base momoshiki, was stated to be able to get brute forced by darui and Gaara

it's consistent the statement

if you read it

he relies on his absorption of justu not real his own real power

He's meant to be parallel Boruto in how he relies on the ninja tech gauntlet, unironically momo being below the kage is very important for the character of Boruto and how he learns how true power is formed through hard work, it's a literal theme of the story arc and it's represented by momo

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your ignoring the writing just to high ball the verse

@joesmithy226: just making up shit as you go, nothing you said is implied in anyway or form there.

if darui alone can solo momoshiki, then he could have gone alone. hell sasuke would just make a portal and send him there.

or you know naruto , sasuke, gaara and other kages could have just sat down and watched darui solo Momoshiki, you clown.

Base Momo is kage tier, he gets stomped. Fused is closer but still gets schooled, even Sasuke was physically overpowering him.

Raditz is pretty much hyped below Vegeta and nappa on every notice

there's literally nothing inconsistent about it nor does he job to tao or some guy considered low on the scale by this point

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it's a entirely different context, raditz didt get stated before some narratively ultra minor character like darui and legit get chased off by him. for things to be comparable they have to actually work in a way that is similar

Raditz is literally apart of trio with gets and naps

they actually know each other and are apart of the same group, Momo does not seem to know kaguya well and had to be updated about her affairs since he had no idea about her life for thousands of years

urashiki had to inform dump, the shit to momo cause momo himself had no idea

I swear, boruto fans will do anything to high ball the series regardless of honesty.

do you think, kinshiki is above kaguya cause she's the raditz of three

even tho, she considers the otutsuki clan as a enemy to her beliefs and something she's not apart of cause they only know power and have no love (that's her opinion yes)

wow, look at that, kaguya sees momo in a trio with a ura and kinshiki rather then herself almost like that's what the series itself presented

I don't think base is above hago tho. what you talking about

cause they were using ninjustu

and that's how momo gets his power through doping

if they used no ninjustu, he has no ammo to asborb

war arc kaguya > fused momo (Boruto anime)

Base momo ran away from 2 kage...why is he against kaguya? Lmao

that's what the manga said

darui can brute force overpower momo

It's not my fault, that your Boruto manga always disagrees with your Boruto fan community

@joesmithy226:

Base Momo ate a chakra fruit which is like absorbing a ten tails

Darui is either god tier and also planet + or its a outlier

Like BZ stabbing Juudara who is massively above him

or like Sakura harming Kaguya who is massively above her

Whenever boruto is taken over by fused momo he always focuses on H2H combat or fighting up close without spamming energy its retcon that momo doesnt have physicals i mean he harmed a stronger character than darui with physicals

Its an outlier that momo doesnt do what he did to Naruto to Darui

Or do what juubi obito did to Hashirama

Its like saying using your mind scaling that

- Momoshiki eats a chakra fruit a planet of energy but it only makes him darui lv

- Kaguya feared two darui lv threats and couldnt oppose them without a army

- Darui is planet + lv if we use your scaling as Darui scaling to Momoshiki

Meaning Darui trained harder than Naruto and surpassed Naruto own base and surpassed Naruto teen spsm

So this is a mountain lv to planet + tier jump for darui

Again if we are using your logic

@joesmithy226: lmao are you blind it says brute force and shows 3 chars in that panel alone, gaara, darui and sasuke?

anymore clown level takes no? well cope and seethe harder.

@joesmithy226 said:

@trideca001 said:

@joesmithy226: just making up shit as you go, nothing you said is implied in anyway or form there.

if darui alone can solo momoshiki, then he could have gone alone. hell sasuke would just make a portal and send him there.

or you know naruto , sasuke, gaara and other kages could have just sat down and watched darui solo Momoshiki, you clown.

that's what the manga said

darui can brute force overpower momo

It's not my fault, that your Boruto manga always disagrees with your Boruto fan community

Thats a concerned ass face right there ^^^ madara beats the shit out him, madara was break dancing through shinobi alliance and doing splits... The only thing momo has worth anyones salt is his elemental attacks and BD which madara can absorb as well

@uchihaghost: It’s clearly a biased narrative you guys cling to you choose to take things out of context and using a scaling chain the actual dialogue doesn’t agree with. Momo being mere darui lv is same manner of outlier as BZ being able to harm Juubi madara 3 eyes no less. When previously madara is stated to be a higher lv. Imagine taking BZ harming 3 eyes juudara out of context and clinging to that outlier as the whole scaling and ignoring any previous feats or statements about madara power.

The same narrative your using to lowball is same narrative debaters from other fandoms use against madara in battles. Say for instance madara Juubi 3 eyes form vs aizen.

Bleach debaters could say “oh Juubi madara is not planetary he was harmed by BZ he’s BZ level aizen stomps”

@uchihaghost: yea don't pretend to be blind, how may chars do you see jumping him in that scene? Gara, darui, sasuke?

try better and yea, momoshiki turns any pre-jin madara to red mist(except edo)

Madara is not absorbing attacks way above his paygrade.

any attacks madara shoots( momo absorbs it, evolves that attack to his level and multiplies it's power by 2) and oneshots madara.

@joesmithy226: you debunked yourself by providing that image of confirming the correct scaling that kaguya fears them

urashiki name is not in the scroll only momo and kin

@joesmithy226: you debunked yourself by providing that image of confirming the correct scaling that kaguya fears them

urashiki name is not in the scroll only momo and kin

Momo already confirms she not only feared them but momo personally and they “as in Naruto and sasuke” saved him the trouble of punishing her himself

Momo and Kin would’ve killed her she probably wanted to get hagoromo and hamura to help her that’s why she tried to mind control hamura.

@trideca001: any attacks madara shoots( momo absorbs it, evolves that attack to his level and multiplies it's power by 2) and oneshots madara.

Madara does not need any jutsu anyways, he breaks his neck with h2h and cut his arms off with his gunbai then slam a meteor on him

Lol at he absorbs any jutsu.... When madara has

> wood release

> chakra rods

> gunbai

> meteor

> ST and other deva abilities

> better cqc

> Perfect Susano

Unlike momo, he has options

Momo has chakra rods and thats it lol, madara wraps him up like burrito and chanks him prison style

he appears in her flashback, her reason for thinking they were dreadful was cause they cared about power and had no love

not cause they were super powerful, did you even read the flashback, I posted?

@uchihaghost: 1. speedblitzes madara's shit with rods

2. momoshiki can hide his chakra signature to a point not even rinnegan sasuke can sense him

3. Momoshiki can fly and evade all those shit, meteors(lmao momo dodges while madara kills himself), Deva and other abilities gets absorbed, momo red mist him with a touch, Lightning attacks vaporizes madara's perfect susanoo(destroyed naruto's and sasuke's combination).

4. momoshiki has space-time portals.

5. Byakugan and insane sensory abilities to the point he could sense Naruto chakra while he was in another country trying to capture bee.

6. any of Momo's attacks will accidentally kill madara or wipeout his susanoo if it hits lol.

so yea it's not a fight at all momoshiki wipes.

This is if we don't take a momoshiki who has absorbed various abilities already, if we use that base Momo then it becomes even worse lol.

@trideca001: Deva and other abilities gets absorbed

You are a certified fool