Fairy Tail Scaling

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#1  Edited By numbersmatter

Fairy Tail is poorly represented on this site, so I decided to make this post to show that there are many good arguments for Fairy tail, ignoring the most basic ones that almost everyone already knows about or uses.

If you disagree with any of this, make arguments instead of just being in denial.

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In the Edolas arc, Edolas (a parallel universe to the main FT verse) was suffering from a lack of magic. To counter this phenomenon, the Edolas king decided to create a weapon called Anima. His plan was to open portals and create Lacrimas using said weapon so that his own world could have its magic restored.

After 6 years of constant effort and Mystogan ruining his plan, he finally succeeded by absorbing all of Magnolia, which included wizards from the Fairy Tail guild.

Side note, Dragon slayers and other people with "special powers" are immune to bfr, absorption and transmutation cuz of this.

After the Anima project captured the entire Magnolia town, the Edolas king decided to boast to his country about how it had "produced" a 10 year worth of supply of Magic power. The reason this is relevant to the Ap of FT is because the piece of Lacrima that the Edolas king was boasting about was just composed of Erza and Gray. This means that they each would have to be able to power up Edolas (whether that be the Country or the entire planet, more likely to be the entire planet tho) for 5 years individually.

To add extra context, Erza and Gray giving magic to Edolas wouldn't be something as simple as just giving each human some magic and each magical weapon some weapons. No, they'd also be powering up the entire planet and nature itself since we know that that's a fundamental aspect of Magic.

Not only that, the moon is confirmed to have magic, Zeref also notes that the Earth has magic and Nirvana itself is blatantly absorbing magic from the planet.

They'd also have to power up the floating islands in Edolas. I know it says that Extalia's magic is already doing that but that's only because Edolas has barely any magic. If it were to regain its magic, I doubt Extalia would continue doing this.

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The Edolas king also has a mech dragon suit which acts like Nirvana and sucks up the magic of the planet.

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Some people reading this might say "oh but the 10 year of supply of magic is talking about the entirety of Magnolia and FT guild, not just Erza and Gray". That could be a discussion in itself but it doesn't really matter since there's more evidence of singular people being able to perform these types of feats.

Exceed are capable of powering up the entire planet for an eternity and wizards like Lucy have more magic power than them and is also capable of powering up Edolas for half an eternity. Same with the dragon slayers.

You could calc all of this to get a more quantifiable result but point is, it should be at bare minimum country level and/or planetary if you believe they're powering up the entire Planet. Keep in mind this is ignoring the fact that countries and planets in FT are bigger than ours and also ignoring powering up weapons such as Etherion.

Onto the next point.

Multiple people in Fairy Tail use the power of the stars for attacking, such as Lucy, Cana, Jellal and the Celestial Spirit King. Other people, such as Obra and Jura, counter these abilities. Safe to say that it's consistent for characters to be scaled at this level.

Lucy:

Urano Metoria, which uses the power of all of the stars in existence.

She also has other spells like this such as gotfried.

Obra negating Urano Metoria:

Cana and Bluenote:

Fairy glitter uses the power of the sun, stars and moon, and bluenote easily destroyed it. This also means that Bluenote's magic can't be dispersed or erased because as I showed in the Edolas section, moon magic dispels all magic, and that his gravity magic is so potent it affects light which can be used as supplementary evidence for his black hole being an actual black hole or as potent as one.

(limitless gravity statement too)

Jellal:

Grand Chariot, uses the 7 main stars in big dipper. He eventually increased the number to 9 (Orion constellation) in the 100 year quest when he faced off against God Serena.

And finally, The Celestial Spirit King:

An attack that used all stars in the 88 constellations, which is casually tanked by both mard geer and the celestial king

Of course, just because the incantation mentions stars, doesn't mean it actually uses stars. But, for one, Fairy Glitter is blatantly using the sun, stars and moon. Like that's the description of the spell.

For The celestial king and Lucy:

Starlight destroys and negates curses/darkness. Galaxia blade destroyed Alegria curse and Urano Metoria erased Jackal's curse. So yes, they use stars in their attacks.

For Gottfried, https://www.wcostream.tv/fairy-tail-2014-episode-41-english-subbed-2

20:40

Literally makes the stars shine brighter and starts moving them.

More evidenve of this in 21:15.

This feat is pretty blatant and self explanatory.

Now for jellal, there's nothing to 100% suggest that he's actually using those stars in the attack (I'm aware that in one of Mashima's other works, this spell exists and it does say that it uses stars in the attack but not in FT), but since every other star spell in Fairy Tail does, there's no reason to believe it doesn't.

These feats can range from country level (with severe lowball) all the way up to possibly galaxy level and above. I'd have to calc it to make sure.

There's more star level feats/statements in the series as well, such as Selene, and the CSK when he appeared for the first time. 13:48-14:15, 18:15-18:35

and in the Eclipse celestial spirit arc where you can also find universal-uni+ arguments. I'd rather not go into them though.

Onto Etherion. Etherion is probably the most used argument in FT for Ap scaling (at least before Selene's feat) since it's so easy to argue and the scaling chain can start off very early.

Etherion can destroy a country. It's a "cross dimensional attack" which either means it traverses different realities and realms or that it destroys on multiple planes of existence. Doesn't really matter what it means since I won't go into it but if you want to know, some people argue that it's 4D-5D because of this statement and different translations.

Ultear also mentions that the r system should have all its records should be obliterated from history. Then she insinuates that the way to do this is to use etherion. So etherion possibly destroys your history if it touches you. A council member also mentions that it turns everything "null".

Etherion might be extremely hot because it's called "magical confinement fusion"

Magical confinement fusion (MCF) is basically magnetic confinement fusion, which needs 200 million°C to produce energy.

Safe to say that Etherion is pretty op even without what I'm going to get into.

Side note: If you are to believe that Etherion does use MCF, Natsu was melting the R system which tanked this heat casually, so even in the tower of heaven arc, his heat had already surpassed 200 million°C by a wide margin.

Anyways, r system is stated to destroy you on a subatomic level, and the r system is amped by etherion, which would mean that etherion itself destroys on a subatomic level.

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This would mean Etherion is planetary.

Let's assume Etherion only does surface wiping destruction and that it destroys the average area of a country. (which is lowball because countries in ft are far bigger than countries irl, and etherion's destruction does much more damage than just surface wiping)

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657,018km^2=657,018,000,000m^2

Using this bar graph, the average height of a building is 20.6 meters

Area x Height = 657,018,000,000m^2 * 20.6m = 1.35345708 × 1013m^3

Energy for Subatomic destruction: 5.403x10^13cc

1.35345708 × 10^13 * 5.403x10^13

=7.3127286e+26

That result times 1,000,000 because that's cm^3 and we're using m^3

7.3127286e+26*1,000,000 = 7.3127286e+32 joules, Planetary.

Even with all this power, Etherion couldn't destroy the R system. Not even Jellal's Grand chariot could do much damage even though, as mentioned before, uses the power of the stars. Yet Jellal's abyss break was going to destroy the tower completely.

This would obviously mean that both grand chariot, abyss break, Natsu and Jellal all have higher Ap than Etherion.

There's these calcs I found that also supports my placement of fairy tail.

This is all scaling for pre time skip Fairy tail. Before I move onto x792 (avatar and spriggan arc) arguments, there's a certain argument someone made against me when I used this scaling. They said that the R system concentrates the power of Etherion into the body of a singular person, which means that it's easier to subatomically destroy them since all of the energy is concentrated into a much smaller area (with lower durability), which would mean that Etherion isn't capable of doing this to an entire country.

On paper, this is a good counter argument. But in reality, it really isn't and if anything, would make the scaling go into higher tiers.

The R system needs someone on the level of the 10 wizard saints to properly function. Erza (and Natsu iirc, who's durability is strong enough to withstand grand chariot) would fit this condition. So would people like Jellal, Makarov, Hades, Gildarts, Bluenote etc.

Notice how all of these characters would scale to the black hole Bluenote created and Grand Chariot. Not only that, but as shown in this thread, Erza can amp a planet for 5 years. Sure, it's on a later arc but atp of the series, no one had trained to get stronger. Also, in this same arc (tower of heaven), someone as fodder as Simon didn't get subatomically destroyed by an attack that has the properties of a black hole.

This is just surface level stuff and there's more in depth arguments that would make that counter argument null. But this post wasn't made to counter that one argument so I'll just stop here.

Now onto x972

Gods R>F transcend Fairy Tail, Rave Master and Edens Zero (and Mashima's other work)

I don't scale Rave master nor Edens Zero so I'm only going to cover Fairy tail's cosmology a bit.

The spirit realm is in another dimension.

An unknown space time where horologium goes to when he saves lucy and her companions

Infinite number of possibilities, futures/universes and multiple timelines.

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All universes are infinite in size, or at the very least the main one.

and in Fairy Tail, we see gods getting defeated.

Chronos, the god of time, gets defeated by both Sheria and Natsu (dimaria says that Natsu is stronger than a God)

And Ikusa Tsunagi, a battle god, gets one shotted by Natsu.

This would prove that characters in the Spriggan arc and onwards would scale to these Gods who transcend the cosmology.

Speed

In the Edolas arc, there's a secret plan the Edolas king has to exterminate all Exceeds. It's called Code ETD.

As you can see, those (seemingly) spotlights emit light to the exceeds to turn them into lacrima.

Carla and Happy both dodge these beams of light which is calced to relativistic.

If you're wondering why I'm calling these "beams of light", it's pretty much because of the interior design of the weapon, the fact that it legit looks like light when used and even cast shadows to those affected by it and also because in Edolas, the exceed were seen as gods, so it makes sense for the Edolas kingdom to use something as fast as light to weaponize and use against said gods.

Since this happens to fodder characters (who atp of the series never trained), you can use this scaling very early on in the series. For example:

Fukuro in the tower of heaven arc perception blitz Natsu and Happy multiple kilometers away

The human eye can see around 3 miles away at ground level. The higher you are, the more you can see. Happy and Natsu (who have superhuman senses so should be able to see much further) while being much higher than ground level barely see a speck of light going towards them and immediatley get blitz.

This would mean that Fukuro (the owl) had to be moving at around 4830xftl.

You can use the Happy and Carla feat as a baseline for other feats similar to this one. You can even start stacking them since blitzes happen in like every arc in fairy tail.

Moving on

The Celestial king goes from the celestial spirit realm to earthland in basically an instant,. As I already showed before, the main universe is infinite in size. So the Wizard king would need to traverse an infinite distance along with the size of the spirit realm to reach earthland. The Spirit realm is a different dimension where time passes differently.

This isn't the only time this happens.

Natsu accidentally flies off a small planet and goes from the spirit realm to earthland.

20:15, 21:15

Horologium takes Natsu and old man Crux from Earthland to the Spirit realm.

8:01-8:42

There are more types of feats like this in the Eclipse Celestial spirit arc. Although this should be enough.

There's another speed feat made by the celestial spirit king with Galaxia blade. As shown before in the Ap section, the celestial king's attack uses all 88 constellations, including the cetus constellation which contains the Earendel star, which is 28 billion light years away. So The celestial spirit king's attack traversed 28 billion light years in a very short time frame, and mard geer sees it as so slow that he legit starts analyzing it as it reaches Earth and is fast enough to put his guard up.

Finally, immeasurable speed arguments.

Ultear's orbs basically time travel to the future, yet future rouge dodged her orbs.

Dimaria's attack blitz Sherria, Carla, Wendy and Ultear (Both Ultear and Carla can see multiple futures and possibilities via future sight (and Ultear's ability) so the fact that Dimaria blitz them is impressive)

Her attack is capable of reaching the end of times.

And Sherria casually intercepted this beam once she unlocked her third origin.

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This will be all.

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Utter nonsense

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@darkphantom9895: @superduperbumpe:

If you disagree with any of this, post arguments instead of calling it wank without substantiating it because that's just stupid (and I wanna argue with people). I'll only be going over og manga feats because I haven't gotten scans for 100 yq fairy tail nor the anime yet. I might update in the future although I doubt it.

Y'all didn't even read the first sentence.

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@decaff: look g I ain't trynna read a post that puts fairy tail at multiversal or smth(no offense)

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@decaff: look g I ain't trynna read a post that puts fairy tail at multiversal or smth(no offense)

If you haven't read it then take a peep if you're ever bored.
I also mention other type of arguments.

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#7  Edited By DerTilt

Thats some massive outliers

And this feats are from non canon filler episodes

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There are too many things that don't make sense or not elaborated.

You say that Erza and Gray's magic can power the Edolas for 10 years so it makes them planet level, but you don't explain what that means. What exactly are they going to use that magic power for?

Then you show a scan about floating islands that are powered by magic, but they powered by Extalia's magic which is maintaining the balance or something, Gray and Erza not involved. We don't know if their magic can make those islands float, if so you should've posted statements implying that.

Then you also show a scan of a mech that you claim is supporting your planetary AP. On that scan it is stated that the mech continuously absorbs the magic, it is not instant. And assuming that mech is deployed in Edolas then it is less impressive because it already has little magic.

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There are too many things that don't make sense or not elaborated.

You say that Erza and Gray's magic can power the Edolas for 10 years so it makes them planet level, but you don't explain what that means. What exactly are they going to use that magic power for?

Then you show a scan about floating islands that are powered by magic, but they powered by Extalia's magic which is maintaining the balance or something, Gray and Erza not involved. We don't know if their magic can make those islands float, if so you should've posted statements implying that.

Then you also show a scan of a mech that you claim is supporting your planetary AP. On that scan it is stated that the mech continuously absorbs the magic, it is not instant. And assuming that mech is deployed in Edolas then it is less impressive because it already has little magic.

I pretty blatantly explained what erza's and gray's magic is going to do. I even did a mini summary of the plot of the Edolas arc. There's no magic in Edolas, so they're going to use Magnolia's magic to power all of Edolas up. My bad if I didn't explain well enough.

I was assuming that Erza's and Gray's (or just magnolia's) magic would or could make the islands float as dragon slayer magic was capable of doing something similar (basically just moving it around). But yeah I get what you mean, it's too vague. Regardless doesn't really affect my scaling.

The mech would obviously have power excluding the power it gets from the world. The absorption would just be a bonus.


@dertilt said:

Thats some massive outliers

And this feats are from non canon filler episodes

All of what I posted is backed up by complimentary feats, or feats that are made by people who power cliff previous arcs, or people who's only feats are what I posted (Celestial king for example) which would make it not an outlier as, well that's their only feat.

If you're talking about the calcs.

Mashima releases his volumes with dvd's that have anime only content
And he works on the anime too ("in exchange, we decided to make Laxus play a bigger role in the anime"). So no, it isn't non canon.

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What in the world did I just read??

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@el_directo_: Peak scaling
if you have disagreements, say them.

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@numbersmatter: this is comicvine i can gaurantee you almost no one read it anyway nothing seem's off

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No man just no

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Fixed some stuff and added a few more arguments. Also made it a bit more readable since before I was basically posting some scans and adding a small description to it.

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Oh man lmao, this started off BAAAAAD. Planet level Edolas arc gray?? Oh my goodness.

4K+ FTL some random fodder? My goodness.

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@ecoblitz: You forgot to read the 3rd line.
"If you disagree with any of this, make arguments instead of just being in denial."

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@numbersmatter: that would be something for actual close to relevant claim. Planet level edolas arc gray simply isn’t worth even addressing AT ALL on any level. And so is the 4K FTL claim.

I genuinely came in here full of good faith and got smacked with planet level gray and you want me to address it.

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@ecoblitz: Then you're just in denial. Also, quick tip about debating. A premise is defined by the arguments, not by the premise itself. What you're doing right now is disagreeing with the premise and not the arguments behind it. For example, let's say someone says that Jjk isn't capped at Mach 3 and actually has arguments about it. If I were to do what you are doing, I'd just disagree with the initial claim while ignoring the actual arguments, which is... dumb.

I don't want you to address it. Knowing you, you'll either stop replying to me rn or just say "well that example doesn't work because the arguments for mftl+ and planetary edolas arc characters are ass while jjk has good arguments for above mach 3". If you want to make some counters, you can make them. If not, you don't have to. Nothing wrong with that.

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#21  Edited By EcoBlitz  Online

@numbersmatter: if that makes you feel better, go for it big dawg lmao. I’m in denial suuurrrreeeeee.

There’s simply arguments not worth addressing and simply letting who made them believe whatever they want to.

Side note, don’t need argument when outright feats exists.

But like I said, you believe in casual planet level, MFTL edolas arc gray. I’ll stick with tenrou island being “destroyed” being the biggest feat in the next arc after that.

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#22  Edited By numbersmatter

@ecoblitz: Thanks for admitting it.

Feats=argument.

Only thing it said was that it was the highest amount of magic recorded in Earthland, not in Edolas. ngl you should've picked another argument to disagree with if you were gonna say this. Like deadass, any other pre time skip scale I used would've worked, but you decided to use the only one that would not be affected by this statement.
Anyways, multiple problems with this.
1. The one I already mentioned, this is Earthland, not Edolas.
2. Dc=/=Ap. Just because it "destroyed" an island doesn't mean that is its limits or how hard it "hits". Everyone on that island, using my scale for example, is above simply island level. The fact that Acnologia's roar forced them to use Fairy Sphere proves that the Ap of this roar is higher than just island level.
3. The attack was blocked by Fairy sphere, so we don't know how strong it actually is if it weren't blocked, and going back to the 2nd point, the fact that it forced the Fairy tail guild to use fairy sphere means it's higher than just "island level".
4. This has nothing to do with speed, idk why you decided to add in "mftl edolas gray" in.

Also why say "there's no argument to address" when you were gonna "address" it 2 sentences later?

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#23  Edited By EcoBlitz  Online

@numbersmatter: not reading all that; I’m sorry that happened to you or I’m glad it happened to you.

I just know not to engage you specifically when FT is involved. Others is good tho.

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Lmao