city level feat for starkiller?

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I was reading the force unleashed novel and one passage has starkiller creating a hurricane

"Soon the foyer was full of the twitching, smoking bodies of the temple's hapless guardians. He began to tire, not from exertion but from the tedium of knocking down droid after droid, to no apparent end. There might have been thousands of them. Deactivating his lightsaber, he took a deep breath. With one mighty exhalation of power, he blasted all of them - those in pieces and those approaching with needle-tipped fingers and vibrosaws upraised - out of the foyer doors. Then he blasted the rubbish piles after them. He kept pushing until a dark cloud toured out over Raxus Prime's hideous landscape - an artificial hurricane full of droid golems. When the foyer was clear, the apprentice straightened. He was no longer pushing with the Force, but the floor beneath him shook nonetheless." - The Force Unleashed.

And hurricanes are equal to 10 megaton of power

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although maybe i reading too much into it and if im wrong pls dont clown on me

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For a Cat 5 Hurricane according to the article not just any hurricane, but regardless this isn't anything new. The EU has a few feats in similar to this and even higher than that, characters could get kinda broken with their Force Power.

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#3  Edited By NiceTrySon

Galen shook the planet of Kashyyyk several times when taking down the skyhooks, redirected the Star Destroyer whose re-entry was shaking the entire planet of Raxus Prime heavily, and while tired, destroyed an A.I. physically extending across the entire planet right after his Star Destroyer feat.

This was before he obtained perfect balance in the Force at the end of the novel (which amped him massively), and of course, before he entered Oneness.

So yeah, Pre-Prime Galen is far above city level when we use his novel feats.

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#8  Edited By pandanature1234

@oceanmaster21: I definitely think he's not above city level. Actually thinking about this in hindsight if starkiller was city level he would not struggle to move the weight of a star destroyer. He's probably city block level I'd say

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@pandanature1234: Tbf, Starkiller was trying to be careful and guide the ISD down, he wasn't trying to do anything too damaging because the impact would have killed both him and the Rogue Shadow(along with everyone inside), that and the ISD was resisting and he was feeling that too. So there's context as to why he was 'struggling', he couldn't just grab the thing and smash it down.

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@wolfrazer: Well starkiller thought the idea of moving an ISD to be insane since it was so massive. aAso iirc the thing was falling already so it couldn't have put up much resistance against starkiller's pull. I highly doubt he can move a star destroyers weight casually

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#12  Edited By Chester400

He below city level.

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@oceanmaster21: I definitely think he's not above city level

He is much above that by feats.

. Actually thinking about this in hindsight if starkiller was city level he would not struggle to move the weight of a star destroyer. He's probably city block level I'd say

He never struggled with weight of Star Destroyer, he had to overpower its engiens as well, that was hard part.

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#14  Edited By Thedarkrevanper

Starkiller is way Above city level bffr

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@eredin12 said:

@pandanature1234:

@oceanmaster21: I definitely think he's not above city level

He is much above that by feats.

. Actually thinking about this in hindsight if starkiller was city level he would not struggle to move the weight of a star destroyer. He's probably city block level I'd say

He never struggled with weight of Star Destroyer, he had to overpower its engiens as well, that was hard part.

By how much is he above city would you say? Can he blow up continent with the force?

Well I thought the star destroyer was already falling so I don't know how active the engine was

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@thedarkrevanper: I don't think starkiller can blow up something like a mountain

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@pandanature1234: By a lot, ISD laughs off at Nukes( which are city level), hell even old republic ships have laughed off at Nukes, meanwhile Starkiller casually split ISD in half with blast of his lightning. He destroyed structure that went form ground all the way to space itself, with shockwaves shaking the planet. In fact ships much weaker than ISDs have confirmed large country/continental-level energy going into their shields every single second. Shields of ISD itself have also endured force of gravity of black holes. Now to be fair, we have not seen him show such DC, but he has showed such AP. Even teen Anakin for example had feats way above city level when he held off a powerful hurricane for hours.

I don't think starkiller can blow up something like a mountain

Why not? He has better feats than that. I would say even him much before his prime, destroying structure that went from below surface to space and shaking the planet as side effect is beyond that. Same for Star Destroyer Factory destroyed by beam he redirected, that was much larger than even Super Star Destroyers (20 km long), and was called the artificial moon.

Well I thought the star destroyer was already falling so I don't know how active the engine was

Engines were on. It was not falling, that is a misconception from comic, but comic is contradicted by both novel and the game.

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@eredin12 said:

@pandanature1234: By a lot, ISD laughs off at Nukes( which are city level), hell even old republic ships have laughed off at Nukes, meanwhile Starkiller casually split ISD in half with blast of his lightning. He destroyed structure that went form ground all the way to space itself, with shockwaves shaking the planet. In fact ships much weaker than ISDs have confirmed large country/continental-level energy going into their shields every single second. Shields of ISD itself have also endured force of gravity of black holes. Now to be fair, we have not seen him show such DC, but he has showed such AP. Even teen Anakin for example had feats way above city level when he held off a powerful hurricane for hours.

did this splitting lsd happen in comic or game? I only read the novels

When did lsd laugh off nuke? I remember in movies sd get damaged by meteors and got destroyed by falling into death star.

i heard people argue that star destroyers had to use a safe route around the black holes. Black holes can eat up stars. I highly doubt star destroyers are that durable that they can take star eating force

I don't think starkiller can blow up something like a mountain

Why not? He has better feats than that. I would say even him much before his prime, destroying structure that went from below surface to space and shaking the planet as side effect is beyond that. Same for Star Destroyer Factory destroyed by beam he redirected, that was much larger than even Super Star Destroyers (20 km long), and was called the artificial moon.

well from what I remember from novel starkiller went inside the canon and used its controls to shoot the beam.

i know the text say the star destroyer was shaking the world or something but that could be exageration. Sometimes books use hyperbole like shaking the world or someone moves as fast as lion

Well I thought the star destroyer was already falling so I don't know how active the engine was

Engines were on. It was not falling, that is a misconception from comic, but comic is contradicted by both novel and the game.

If it wasn't falling why was starkiller in such a rush to get out? Kota said he'd never make it out it time before it fell and that was why he had to redirect it to the canon

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#19  Edited By Eredin12

@pandanature1234:

did this splitting lsd happen in comic or game? I only read the novels

When did lsd laugh off nuke? I remember in movies sd get damaged by meteors and got destroyed by falling into death star.i heard people argue that star destroyers had to use a safe route around the black holes. Black holes can eat up stars. I highly doubt star destroyers are that durable that they can take star eating force

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I don't recall them ever being damaged by meteors, that said old movies are obviously outdated, those are very first sources. Rest of canon has much more consistently shown their power. Here is much smaller capital ship and how much energy goes into their shield every single second:

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And no, they did not use any special route, there is no safe route, novel itself directly stated they were feeling enough force to crush planet on them. Gravity affects larger mases more generally though, so they would feel as much force as star would in any case.

well from what I remember from novel starkiller went inside the canon and used its controls to shoot the beam.i know the text say the star destroyer was shaking the world or something but that could be exageration. Sometimes books use hyperbole like shaking the world or someone moves as fast as lion

You remember it wrong, beam could not reach it and he had to specifically redirect it with lightning to destory Star Destroyer Factory. And yes books can use hyperbole, but hyperbole is not magic word that you invoke and poof, that is that, it needs evidence. Now to be fair I was not talking about star destroyer, but him with TK destroying structures that reached from surface to space, which shocked the planet. For somehting like that, that makes sense, and there is no reason to suspect hyperbole

If it wasn't falling why was starkiller in such a rush to get out? Kota said he'd never make it out it time before it fell and that was why he had to redirect it to the canon

Kota said nothing about falling, it was not falling. he was in rush to get out because it was coming straight at him, aiming at him, it was not falling:

"The scaffolding around the nearly completed Star Destroyer had bent and torn completely away, leaving the ship free to power down into the atmosphere of Raxus Prime. Already it was visible as a distinct triangle glowing orange around its leading edges and conning tower. It was coming directly toward him.

It was aiming for him."

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@wolfrazer:Wolf, do you have maybe scan about old republic ships no selling nukes thrown at them? I saw it but I dont have it at the moment.

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@eredin12: You mean in the Lando novels, where the Centrality Navy had decommissioned ships of three-quarters of a century? Yeah.

The officially decommissioned Imperial Cruiser Wennis bored through the blackness like a thing alive, a hungry thing, a thing with the need to kill. It had been built for that, nearly three-quarters of a century ago. Now it was an obsolete machine, displaced by more efficient killers.

Still, it served its purpose.

- Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon

But the quote in question...

They even let the local military lob a few primitive thermonuclear weapons at them to demonstrate the utter futility of, resistance. The fleet's shields glowed briefly, restoring energy consumed by the voyage out, and that was that. Almost.

Unfortunately for the Navy and high-technology aggressors everywhere in space and time, invasions cannot be conducted with continent-destroying weapons or from behind shields. Not unless you're willing to obliterate the enemy, and not at all if you're interested in taking what the enemy has: raw materials, agricultural products, certain manufactured goods, and the potential labor of her citizens.

- Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of Thnboka

Thermonuclear weapons just being useless against shielded old warships.

But I mean....nuclear weapons have been outdated for quite sometime in Star Wars, they're used but only in certain situations or the force in question modifies them to a degree that they are quite effective(Mandalorians).

On a galactic scale, nuclear armaments are kinda small time compared to what Turbolasers can do.

As far as Star Destroyers and black holes, well...yeah there's showings that a Star Destroyer can be ripped apart by a black hole in the old Marvel comics....but the thing of that is, is the Star Destroyer in question was going DIRECTLY into it and was unable to course correct in time to avoid getting sucked in, it wasn't skirting around the edge of it or anything, but was directly in it.

As far as asteroids and the like from ESB, the implication that the ISDs don't have their shields active(they were relying more on a screen of turbolaser fire), shields are only active in combat situations, which Piett later clears up when he thinks the Falcon is going to attack his Destroyer. But more to that point said asteroids were pounding the ships with the force of multi-megaton compression bombs and that specific asteroid everyone brings up, was aimed directly at the bridge....you know...the bridge where it's only protected by armored transparisteel that wouldn't be able to handle such a hard destructive force? Yeah...that...context.

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@wolfrazer:Yea that was it, thanks. And yea, agreed, context definitely matters when it comes to that.